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Thread: Centre Lines in drawings - associativity

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    SWalker@carrollhealthcare Guest

    Centre Lines in drawings - associativity

    Anyone see this happen?

    Make a part and use the hole wizard to create a tapped hole.
    Detail the hole in a drawing
    Add a centre line - then Dimension to the line.
    For some reason the hole now must become a clearance hole.
    Back to hole wizard (piece of cake to change)
    Return to the drawing and the centre lines havelost their assosiativity and
    hence too the dimension.

    The original point vertex by which the hole is located on the part is
    untouched so why do we loose the associativity??

    steve

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    ifalu@solidworks.com Guest
    Hello can you send me those files, I will like to see them. It is kind
    of weird?

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    ifalu@solidworks.com Guest
    Hello can you send me those files or post them here, I will like to see
    them. It is kind of weird?

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    Locutus Guest
    "ifalu@solidworks.com" <ianfalu@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:1131630312.737265.96680@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:

    Hello can you send me those files, I will like to see them. It is kind
    of weird?
    Sure

    Can I post them here, or do you have a preffered address?

    steve

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    SWalker@carrollhealthcare Guest
    "ifalu@solidworks.com" <ianfalu@gmail.com> wrote in
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    Hello can you send me those files, I will like to see them. It is kind
    of weird?
    Hi

    It's a simple problem
    I explained it in my original post.
    I will try to be more clear.

    Make a simple part. Umm, say a cube.

    put a hole in it using the wizard.
    (I pre-select a face first as I preffer to edit the sketch after the hole
    is created and do so frequently)

    make a drawing and add center lines then add dimensions. (I always
    dimension to the center line because dimensioning to the hole overlaps the
    center line thus obscuring the customary 1/16 gap)

    go back to the part and change the type of hole. Counter Bore type is the
    problem one.
    (So, start with a tapped hole - make the drawing - change the hole to a C-
    bored hole)

    now change the position of the hole on the part (not necessary since the
    center line and extension line changes colour indicating a breach in
    associativity but provides dramatic clarity)




    I can provide a part and drawing if you need.
    Shall I post them to this news group?
    Or do you have a preffered address?


    regards
    steve

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    Kvick Guest
    SWalker@carrollhealthcare.com wrote:
    Anyone see this happen?

    Make a part and use the hole wizard to create a tapped hole.
    Detail the hole in a drawing
    Add a centre line - then Dimension to the line.
    For some reason the hole now must become a clearance hole.
    Back to hole wizard (piece of cake to change)
    Return to the drawing and the centre lines havelost their assosiativity and
    hence too the dimension.

    The original point vertex by which the hole is located on the part is
    untouched so why do we loose the associativity??

    steve
    Centerline is created from the edges of the hole, thus chaniging the
    hole from threaded to clearance changes the actual geometry and the
    centerline does not "know" its place anymore. Associating a sketched
    centerline to the point on the holepattern would be the answer but very
    time consuming....



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    SWalker@carrollhealthcare Guest
    Kvick <artokvick@jippii.fi> wrote in
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    SWalker@carrollhealthcare.com wrote:
    Anyone see this happen?

    Make a part and use the hole wizard to create a tapped hole.
    Detail the hole in a drawing
    Add a centre line - then Dimension to the line.
    For some reason the hole now must become a clearance hole.
    Back to hole wizard (piece of cake to change)
    Return to the drawing and the centre lines havelost their
    assosiativity and hence too the dimension.

    The original point vertex by which the hole is located on the part is
    untouched so why do we loose the associativity??

    steve


    Centerline is created from the edges of the hole, thus chaniging the
    hole from threaded to clearance changes the actual geometry and the
    centerline does not "know" its place anymore. Associating a sketched
    centerline to the point on the holepattern would be the answer but
    very time consuming....



    Very Interesting. Are you sure?

    Like you said, It really makes more sense to attach to the center point.
    I can't see why it would be more time consuming. After all, the sketch
    circle in the drawing representing the hole in the first place, already
    has that informtion.

    It would seem to me that changing the hole type might force the drawing
    to destroy and recreate the the sketch circle. In a warped way that kinda
    makes sense. But why do that. I suppose in the case of changing from a
    through hole to a blind hole or where a hole partially breaks torough a
    skewed face (or curved face) then hidden or partially hidden lines are
    required, which would necessitate two arcs, one of which is solid line
    type and the other hidden line type. But who cares. the original center
    point remains the same and the drawing hase that information or must
    retrieve it. either way it's location is always available before the
    center line is placed.

    The hole type and center as well as the face on which the hole point
    rests are readily available to the drawing.
    I don't see where the extra work comes from.

    An interesting discussion and it prompted me to conduct a little
    experiment.

    I created a tapped hole and then centerlined it in a drawing.
    I changed the tapped hole to a clearance hole - the center lines remained
    attached.

    I changed the clearance hole to a countersinked hole - center lines
    remain attached

    Changed from c-sink to c-bore and the centerlines lost associativity.

    Changed back to tapped hole and voila! the center lines reaquired their
    assiciativity.


    Now that's interesting.

    Anyone else notice this?


    Cheers

    steve

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    SWalker@carrollhealthcare Guest
    "ifalu@solidworks.com" <ianfalu@gmail.com> wrote in
    news:1131630312.737265.96680@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com:

    Hello can you send me those files, I will like to see them. It is kind
    of weird?

    Hi

    Can you tell me what you discovered and what SW is doing about it?

    steve

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