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    Andrew Nowicki Guest

    OT| U.S. democracy in peril

    "Dr. Avi Rubin is currently Professor of Computer Science at John
    Hopkins University. He accidentally got his hands on a copy of the
    Diebold software program -- Diebold's source code -- which runs
    their e-voting machines.

    Dr. Rubin's students pored over 48,609 lines of code that make up
    this software. One line in particular stood out over all the rest:

    #define DESKEY ((des_key*) "F2654hd4")

    All commercial programs have provisions to be encrypted so as to
    protect them from having their contents read or changed by anyone not
    having the key. The line that staggered the Hopkin's team was that the
    method used to encrypt the Diebold machines was a method called
    Digital Encryption Standard (DES), a code that was broken in 1997 and
    is NO LONGER USED by anyone to secure programs. F2654hd4 was the key
    to the encryption. Moreover, because the KEY was IN the source code,
    all Diebold machines would respond to the same key.

    I can't believe there is a person alive who wouldn't understand the
    reason this was allowed to happen. This wasn't a mistake but a fixed
    election."

    Source: William Borgstrom, Mobile, Alabama, 251-580-3306, 251-379-5855

    Dr. Avi Rubin's paper:
    http://avirubin.com/vote/analysis/index.html

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    ....While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines
    produced results matching the registered Democrat/Republican
    ratios, Florida's optically scanned paper ballots which were
    fed into central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking
    favored Bush and seem to contain substantial anomalies.

    In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters,
    69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the
    vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite
    of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered
    Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

    In Dixie County, with 9,676 registered voters, 77.5% of them
    Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959
    people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

    The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the
    counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County,
    77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County,
    72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush...

    Source: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm
    Data: http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
    http://election.dos.state.fl.us/pdf/canvassing1.pdf
    http://election.dos.state.fl.us/vote...04pppParty.pdf

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    ....Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry.
    CNN's exit poll showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women
    by 53 percent to 47 percent. Kerry also defeated Bush
    among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent. Unless
    a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state...

    Source: http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won.php

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    ....Why have we let corporations into our polling places,
    locations so sacred to democracy that in many states even
    international election monitors and reporters are banned?
    Why are we allowing corporations to exclusively handle our
    vote, in a secret and totally invisible way? Particularly a
    private corporation founded, in one case, by a family that
    believes the Bible should replace the Constitution; in
    another case run by one of Ohio's top Republicans; and in
    another case partly owned by Saudi investors?...

    Source: http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1104-38.htm

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    ....But one thing really troubled me: Who was checking to make sure the
    data contained in the digital memory cards actually matched the
    voters' intentions marked on the paper ballots? Could we take the
    accurate counting of computer votes for granted, since the CEO of the
    leading voting machine manufacturer promised to "deliver" Ohio's
    electoral votes for Bush?...

    ....We should have had trained observers - computer scientists, not
    lawyers! - verifying the integrity of polling data from machine upload
    through the tabulation of countywide and statewide results. Somehow we
    neglected the most vulnerable step in the vote-counting process,
    leaving a gaping hole for error and fraud, casting in doubt the
    validity of election results in many states...

    Author: Ian H. Solomon, associate dean at the Yale Law School

    Source:
    http://www.ctnow.com/news/opinion/op...headlines-oped

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    Adherents to America's Christian fundamentalism are
    concentrated in the Bible-belt which encompasses what was
    once known as the lands below the Mason-Dixon line along
    with the border states. In other words, America's
    Bible-belt encompasses those areas where slavery was deeply
    entrenched in the years before the American Civil War and
    the surrounding areas. Many slave states seceded from the
    Union and engaged in a bloody civil war against their
    fellow Americans to maintain the institution of slavery...

    ....As the institution of slavery spread, so did this new
    American religion. As the institution of slavery deepened,
    so did the church's insistence on the justice of the rich
    to the fruits of their slaves' labor. America's Christian
    fundamentalism, then, is descended from the religion of
    slave owners, slave traders, and slaves. Long before the
    American Civil War, an ostensibly Christian religion arose
    which completely neglected the hundreds of biblical
    injunctions for social justice. In place of a message of
    social justice, this new Christian religion demanded only
    one thing: from the elite, money; from the rest of society,
    obedience to the established order. To assist the church
    in supporting the established power, the church demanded
    two things from the faithful. First, the true believer
    must have an unquestioning faith in the religious teachings
    of their church, usually expressed as an unquestioning
    adherence to the Bible as most helpfully interpreted by
    that Christian church, even if that unquestioning faith
    required one to suspend his willingness to reason and his
    ability to accept reality and facts. Second, morality was
    solely defined as (women's) sexual fidelity, augmented at
    times with an injunction for men to support their wives and
    children, in return, of course, for their unconditional
    obedience. As always, the rich and powerful were exempt
    from both of these rules. Gone were the strictures against
    greed. Gone were the obligations of the elites to
    ameliorate the plight of the least fortunate among them.
    Gone were God's demands that humanity be wise stewards of
    God's creation. Gone were the biblical injunctions to
    bring justice into the world, to feed the hungry, to clothe
    the naked, to tend to the sick, to assist the widow, to
    protect the orphan, and to shelter the homeless. Gone were
    the stories of God's wrath at Pharaoh for his refusal to
    let God's people go. Gone were the stories of God
    liberating the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt. Gone were
    the stories of God's mercy and God's love for all of her
    creation. Using a theology of Social Darwinism in which it
    was claimed that the rich and powerful are rich and
    powerful as a sign of God's blessing, the rich and powerful
    were seen as virtuous and deserving the riches which were
    showered upon them by a just God. In reality,
    nineteenth-century slave owners and robber barons became
    rich because they were corrupt and ruthless. They had the
    money to silence their critics, as well as, to reward their
    flatterers...

    Source: http://www.pinn.net/~sunshine/essays/fundie1.html

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    Diebold voting machine illustration:
    http://homepage.mac.com/rcareaga/die.../diebold_1.jpg

    Some Say U.S. No Longer Feels Like Home:
    http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/new...041110&src=abc

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    THE REBAR GUY Guest
    Democracy may be in peril, but there is an over abundance of paranoid people
    running around with nothing better to do in life.

  3. #3
    Tim Arheit Guest
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:23:12 +0100, Andrew Nowicki <andrew@nospam.com>
    wrote:

    Re: OT| U.S. democracy in peril
    Demacracy is indeed in great peril. Especially since the United
    States has never been a democracy. The US has always been a republic.

    http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/...s/repvsdem.htm

    -Tim

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    Marc Clamage Guest
    Picky picky!

    It may well come out in a few years that the Republicans stole the election
    (again). The Democrats wisely decided to let sleeping dogs lie. The next
    four years should be interesting, if we survive them. The thing is that the
    Republicans can no longer blame Clinton when things go wrong. If the economy
    goes south again, it's Bush's fault. If the draft is reinstated, it's Bush's
    fault. If your community can't pay its bills and raise your property taxes,
    it's Bush's fault. If abortion is outlawed, or the public TV show you like
    is cancelled due to lack of funds, or your child is expelled from school for
    refusing to participate in public prayer, or you lose your Social Security
    or Medicare benefits, it's Bush's fault. What's important now is for
    Congressional Democrats to refuse to vote for conservative initiatives,
    reserving the filibuster for only the most outrageous legislation. The "hand
    of friendship" offered by the Republicans after the election is an illusion;
    if a right wing piece of legislation is successful, they won't share the the
    credit with Democrats who vote for it; but if it's a disaster, they will be
    more than happy to share the blame. It's a win/win situation for the
    Republicans, a lose/lose proposition for the Democrats.

    The Democrats need to keep their hands clean in Congress so that they'll be
    able to creditably say "We told you so" when things go wrong. If things go
    right, they'll be out of luck. I hope they end up being out of luck... but I
    seriously doubt it.

    Marc

    "Tim Arheit" <tarheit@wcoil.com> wrote in message
    news:cn2jab$peg$0$65.17.148.14@wcoil.com...
    On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 02:23:12 +0100, Andrew Nowicki <andrew@nospam.com
    wrote:

    Re: OT| U.S. democracy in peril

    Demacracy is indeed in great peril. Especially since the United
    States has never been a democracy. The US has always been a republic.

    http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/...s/repvsdem.htm

    -Tim

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    THE REBAR GUY Guest
    The Democrats need to keep their hands clean in Congress
    They are Democ-Rats...they usually keep their hands in everyone elses
    pocket, so it only appears that they are clean. On the inside of your
    pockets you will find all the mud and muck they leave behind.

  6. #6
    Marc Clamage Guest
    I fully support your right to make this kind of statement. In American
    politics, you are entitled to call your opponent a fool, incompetent,
    delusional or corrupt. What you are NOT allowed to do --and this is where
    the Republican party has crossed the line the past ten years or so-- is to
    accuse him of being a traitor. In a democracy, when you start branding your
    opponents as traitors it means you are up to no good. This is how Hitler and
    Mussolini and Peron got into power. I'm concerned that conservatives in this
    country are so obsessed with securing and clinging to power that the idea of
    a one-party state, of actually denying the opportunity to run for office to
    other parties, is becoming more appealing to them. The dictatorship of the
    left is communism and the dictatorship of the right is fascism. Neither has
    a place in the USA.

    As to your immediate comment, I've always thought the difference between the
    two parties is that when Democrats are in power, they give their friends
    jobs; but when Republicans are in power, they give their friends money.

    Marc
    "THE REBAR GUY" <spammersunite@inhell.net> wrote in message
    news:10pa726a5n3ncd3@corp.supernews.com...
    The Democrats need to keep their hands clean in Congress

    They are Democ-Rats...they usually keep their hands in everyone elses
    pocket, so it only appears that they are clean. On the inside of your
    pockets you will find all the mud and muck they leave behind.


  7. #7
    Andrew Nowicki Guest
    "A Tale of Two Brothers: Voting Fraud in the USA"

    80% of all votes in America are counted by only two
    companies: Diebold and ES&S.

    There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or
    oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

    The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are
    brothers.

    The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign
    organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was
    "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to
    the president next year."

    35% of ES&S is owned by Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, who
    became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

    Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper
    trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to
    verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same
    as what was legitimately put in by voters.

    Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket
    machines, all of which log each transaction and can
    generate a paper trail.

    Diebold is based in Ohio and supplies almost all the voting
    machines there.

    None of the international election observers were allowed
    in the polls in Ohio.

    30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable
    touch screen voting machines.

    Bush's Help America Vote Act of 2002 has as its goal to
    replace all machines with the new electronic touch screen
    systems.

    Republican Senator Chuck Hagel owns 35% of ES&S and was
    caught lying about it.

    ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S.
    and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

    Exit polls for the 2004 elections were accurate within 1%
    or less in areas where ballot machines were used.

    Major exit poll data discrepancies were noted in counties
    where touch screen machines were used, especially in Ohio
    and Florida.

    Source and details:
    http://memes.org/modules.php?op=modl...rder=0&thold=0

    __________________________________________________ ________

    "The unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy"
    by Steven F. Freeman, Ph.D.,
    University of Pennsylvania
    November 10, 2004

    http://www.ilcaonline.org/freeman.pdf

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