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  1. #1
    Sean Kerslake Guest

    Fancy pattern - continued

    Still haven't got a perfect solution, but these are the two methods I've
    come up with so far:


    Method 1: 'edit definition' and
    convert an overbuilt grid pattern to a table pattern and then delete the
    outlyers manually from the table as they should lie in vaguely adjacent rows
    [pick the rows then edit > delete] - this should be quicker than creating
    all
    the instance coordinates.


    Method 2: I thought their should be a way to 'unpattern' a pattern and make
    the instances
    independent - this way you could again delete the outlyers

    Patterned a reference.

    Create a feature which is referenced only to the leader of the
    previous pattern, group it , and creat a reference pattern [to the previous
    pattern] of the group.
    The instances are then referenced to independent references - the original
    patterned reference.

    This then gives you the option under the right click menu to unpattern the
    reference pattern [this option is only available if you have grouped the
    instance and it is suitably referenced] - this collapses the pattern
    allowing you to delete individual groups.

    It might still take a little time to delete the outlyers relative to the
    boundary but still a reasonably quick workflow.



    Original problem;

    Imagine a chain mail - intersecting links. The X and Y pitch between the
    links IS NOT equal.

    I want the pattern to fill a planar area with an irregular boundary [the
    fill pattern functionality will only allow an equal xy pitch].

    I can't simply cut a large 'square' area pattern down to size because I
    don't want any partial links on the perimeter.


    --


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sean Kerslake
    Dept. Design & Technology
    Loughborough University
    Loughborough
    LE11 3TU

    01509 228317

  2. #2
    Dave Ignaczak Guest
    Hi Sean,

    Although the 2 methods you suggest would work, I wonder how easy it would be
    to update the model if the boundary changes. Also deletting the pattern of a
    group can cause frustration later. It really depends on the complexity of
    your model.

    I don't know the shape of the boundary or how many links you need to get rid
    of after the pattern is created, but here's what I'd do... Create the first
    link how ever you need it to work. Then create an 'extra' surface from the
    solid link (create>surface>from solid). Group the link features if you wish,
    though I don't think it's necessary. Then after the pattern is created you
    can use the 'extra' surfaces to cut away the links you don't want.

    If you have a bunch to remove just cut away most of them using the boundary
    and use the 'extra' surfaces to complete or remove the partial links. You
    could also, depending on the shape of the boundary, have the first link
    follow a curve. That may reduce the number of unnecessary links.

    Have a good one,
    Dave


    "Sean Kerslake" <s.p.kerslake@lboro.ac.uk> wrote in message
    news:cmd4nj$ivr$1@sun-cc204.lut.ac.uk...
    Still haven't got a perfect solution, but these are the two methods I've
    come up with so far:


    Method 1: 'edit definition' and
    convert an overbuilt grid pattern to a table pattern and then delete the
    outlyers manually from the table as they should lie in vaguely adjacent
    rows
    [pick the rows then edit > delete] - this should be quicker than creating
    all
    the instance coordinates.


    Method 2: I thought their should be a way to 'unpattern' a pattern and
    make
    the instances
    independent - this way you could again delete the outlyers

    Patterned a reference.

    Create a feature which is referenced only to the leader of the
    previous pattern, group it , and creat a reference pattern [to the
    previous
    pattern] of the group.
    The instances are then referenced to independent references - the original
    patterned reference.

    This then gives you the option under the right click menu to unpattern the
    reference pattern [this option is only available if you have grouped the
    instance and it is suitably referenced] - this collapses the pattern
    allowing you to delete individual groups.

    It might still take a little time to delete the outlyers relative to the
    boundary but still a reasonably quick workflow.



    Original problem;

    Imagine a chain mail - intersecting links. The X and Y pitch between the
    links IS NOT equal.

    I want the pattern to fill a planar area with an irregular boundary [the
    fill pattern functionality will only allow an equal xy pitch].

    I can't simply cut a large 'square' area pattern down to size because I
    don't want any partial links on the perimeter.


    --


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sean Kerslake
    Dept. Design & Technology
    Loughborough University
    Loughborough
    LE11 3TU

    01509 228317




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  3. #3
    Dave Ignaczak Guest
    Just another thought... You might have to create the link as a surface and
    create the 'extra' surface from quilt so it works. Creating the 'extra'
    surface from solid might want to create it from all the links instead of
    just one. So starting out with surfaces would probably be the safest bet.

    "Dave Ignaczak" <dave@sandhappy.com> wrote in message
    news:418a7b7a_1@127.0.0.1...
    Hi Sean,

    Although the 2 methods you suggest would work, I wonder how easy it would
    be to update the model if the boundary changes. Also deletting the pattern
    of a group can cause frustration later. It really depends on the
    complexity of your model.

    I don't know the shape of the boundary or how many links you need to get
    rid of after the pattern is created, but here's what I'd do... Create the
    first link how ever you need it to work. Then create an 'extra' surface
    from the solid link (create>surface>from solid). Group the link features
    if you wish, though I don't think it's necessary. Then after the pattern
    is created you can use the 'extra' surfaces to cut away the links you
    don't want.

    If you have a bunch to remove just cut away most of them using the
    boundary and use the 'extra' surfaces to complete or remove the partial
    links. You could also, depending on the shape of the boundary, have the
    first link follow a curve. That may reduce the number of unnecessary
    links.

    Have a good one,
    Dave


    "Sean Kerslake" <s.p.kerslake@lboro.ac.uk> wrote in message
    news:cmd4nj$ivr$1@sun-cc204.lut.ac.uk...
    Still haven't got a perfect solution, but these are the two methods I've
    come up with so far:


    Method 1: 'edit definition' and
    convert an overbuilt grid pattern to a table pattern and then delete the
    outlyers manually from the table as they should lie in vaguely adjacent
    rows
    [pick the rows then edit > delete] - this should be quicker than creating
    all
    the instance coordinates.


    Method 2: I thought their should be a way to 'unpattern' a pattern and
    make
    the instances
    independent - this way you could again delete the outlyers

    Patterned a reference.

    Create a feature which is referenced only to the leader of the
    previous pattern, group it , and creat a reference pattern [to the
    previous
    pattern] of the group.
    The instances are then referenced to independent references - the
    original
    patterned reference.

    This then gives you the option under the right click menu to unpattern
    the
    reference pattern [this option is only available if you have grouped the
    instance and it is suitably referenced] - this collapses the pattern
    allowing you to delete individual groups.

    It might still take a little time to delete the outlyers relative to the
    boundary but still a reasonably quick workflow.



    Original problem;

    Imagine a chain mail - intersecting links. The X and Y pitch between the
    links IS NOT equal.

    I want the pattern to fill a planar area with an irregular boundary [the
    fill pattern functionality will only allow an equal xy pitch].

    I can't simply cut a large 'square' area pattern down to size because I
    don't want any partial links on the perimeter.


    --


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sean Kerslake
    Dept. Design & Technology
    Loughborough University
    Loughborough
    LE11 3TU

    01509 228317







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