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Brian White
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Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:46 am Post subject:
understanding model tab vs. layout tab |
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As I understand it, you draw your drawing to scale in model space. So, if I
draw a desk top that is 20" x 16" in size, I use those exact units in model
space. Then, what happens when I click on the layout tab? If I am printing
on an 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper, when I go to page setup my scale should
be about 1:2 or 1:4, right? If my scale was 1:2, my drawing should just
barely fit in the viewport, which should just barely fit in the drawing
space. Is this correct so far?
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Paul Turvill
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Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:10 am Post subject:
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Yes, except you haven't made much of an allowance for margins on the paper.
But 20"x16" is a pretty small desk.
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"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | As I understand it, you draw your drawing to scale in model space. So, if
I
draw a desk top that is 20" x 16" in size, I use those exact units in
model
space. Then, what happens when I click on the layout tab? If I am
printing
on an 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper, when I go to page setup my scale should
be about 1:2 or 1:4, right? If my scale was 1:2, my drawing should just
barely fit in the viewport, which should just barely fit in the drawing
space. Is this correct so far? |
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Brian White
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Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject:
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But, if I open a new drawing with a Title block automatically inserted in
the first layout, I have a problem. When I scale in the layout view, it
scales the title block and everything in paper space. All I want scaled is
the drawing in model space. It does not matter if I choose page setup (to
scale it) in paper space or model space. It still scales everything, not
just the drawing in model space. Is there a way to scale just what's in
model space so the title block remains filling out the whole 8 1/2 x 11
sheet?
Brian White
"Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Yes, except you haven't made much of an allowance for margins on the
paper.
But 20"x16" is a pretty small desk.
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"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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As I understand it, you draw your drawing to scale in model space. So,
if
I
draw a desk top that is 20" x 16" in size, I use those exact units in
model
space. Then, what happens when I click on the layout tab? If I am
printing
on an 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper, when I go to page setup my scale
should
be about 1:2 or 1:4, right? If my scale was 1:2, my drawing should just
barely fit in the viewport, which should just barely fit in the drawing
space. Is this correct so far?
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Paul Turvill
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Sat Aug 20, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject:
Re: understanding model tab vs. layout tab |
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You don't scale the Title Block. You scale *only* the **contents** of your
viewport(s). To do so, open the viewport (MS command, or click inside the
viewport), then ZOOM using the XP option, or the built-in sheet setup
routines. Details may be found in HELP.
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"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | But, if I open a new drawing with a Title block automatically inserted in
the first layout, I have a problem. When I scale in the layout view, it
scales the title block and everything in paper space. |
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Brian White
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Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: understanding model tab vs. layout tab |
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Well, once you zoom, how do you know what your scale is to put in the title
block when you're finished?
Brian
"Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | You don't scale the Title Block. You scale *only* the **contents** of your
viewport(s). To do so, open the viewport (MS command, or click inside the
viewport), then ZOOM using the XP option, or the built-in sheet setup
routines. Details may be found in HELP.
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"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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But, if I open a new drawing with a Title block automatically inserted
in
the first layout, I have a problem. When I scale in the layout view, it
scales the title block and everything in paper space.
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Paul Turvill
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Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:32 am Post subject:
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You TELL it what scale to use. Then you put that scale in the title block.
Please, just look up ZOOM in HELP and study the XP option.
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"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Well, once you zoom, how do you know what your scale is to put in the
title
block when you're finished? |
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hufdaddy
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Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:15 pm Post subject:
re:understanding model tab vs. layout tab |
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| The title block should always be at 1:1. always always always. So many people have peoblems with that. Scale the view using XP, as metioned before. |
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Tone
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:
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Sorry to add to the problem guys,
I have been pulling my hair out trying to get a handle on making my own
title block with text that is easy to change i.e. date etc, I heard of
x-refs and block etc, what I was hoping for was a reasonable tutorial
that I could work thru at my own pace without bothering ng members every
other day. Any suggestions? Autocad 2004
Paul Turvill wrote:
| Quote: | You TELL it what scale to use. Then you put that scale in the title block.
Please, just look up ZOOM in HELP and study the XP option.
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"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, once you zoom, how do you know what your scale is to put in the
title
block when you're finished?
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Paul Turvill
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
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Only the one I've offered before. It worked for me, and it can work for you
if you give it a chance. USE THE HELP SYSTEM. That's why it's there.
Failing that, find a good "beginner" level book on AutoCAD (a Google search
will find a wide selection to choose from), or even better take a course at
a local community college. Probably 80% of AutoCAD users are self-taught,
and learn by doing, reading, and doing again. If you expect someone on these
NGs to spoon-feed you with every detail, you'll never become half-way
proficient.
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Lowell Holmes
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: re:understanding model tab vs. layout tab |
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"hufdaddy" <imjeepin@alltel-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The title block should always be at 1:1. always always always. So many
people have peoblems with that. Scale the view using XP, as metioned
before.
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I've read the string and here are my comments for whatever their worth.:-)
I draw in model space and don't worry about scale. The image is full size.
Then on the layout tab, I use the change property dialog box. There is a
place to
set the scale for the viewport. After the viewport scale is set, I lock the
view port in the same dialog box.
It is much easier than doing a zoom xp for most people. The layout is paper
space and is plotted 1:1.
If I want to change the scale of the viewport, I do it in the change
properties dialog box.
This is for acad 2000 and later.
Release 14 requires the procedure you were talking about in earlier posts.
Of course, rel 14 does not
have layout tabs. |
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Dave L
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: understanding model tab vs. layout tab |
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For a title block with easily changeable text you will need to learn how to
make blocks with editable ATTRIBUTES
"Tone" <kingfish_327@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sorry to add to the problem guys,
I have been pulling my hair out trying to get a handle on making my own
title block with text that is easy to change i.e. date etc, I heard of
x-refs and block etc, what I was hoping for was a reasonable tutorial that
I could work thru at my own pace without bothering ng members every other
day. Any suggestions? Autocad 2004
Paul Turvill wrote:
You TELL it what scale to use. Then you put that scale in the title
block.
Please, just look up ZOOM in HELP and study the XP option.
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"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Well, once you zoom, how do you know what your scale is to put in the
title
block when you're finished?
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Brian White
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:53 am Post subject:
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How exactly do you get to the change property dialog box to set the scale
for the viewport? What pull down menu do you use?
"Lowell Holmes" <lholm@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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"hufdaddy" <imjeepin@alltel-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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The title block should always be at 1:1. always always always. So many
people have peoblems with that. Scale the view using XP, as metioned
before.
I've read the string and here are my comments for whatever their worth.:-)
I draw in model space and don't worry about scale. The image is full size.
Then on the layout tab, I use the change property dialog box. There is a
place to
set the scale for the viewport. After the viewport scale is set, I lock
the
view port in the same dialog box.
It is much easier than doing a zoom xp for most people. The layout is
paper
space and is plotted 1:1.
If I want to change the scale of the viewport, I do it in the change
properties dialog box.
This is for acad 2000 and later.
Release 14 requires the procedure you were talking about in earlier posts.
Of course, rel 14 does not
have layout tabs.
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Brian White
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Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:28 am Post subject:
Re: re:understanding model tab vs. layout tab |
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I figured it out! Thanks for the suggestion. That's definitely the best
way to do it. You click on the viewport, click on properties, and then in
the properties dialog box change scale. it works out w/ my printer too.
The scale was exactly correct when I printed it out.
Brian
"Brian White" <bmkwhite@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | How exactly do you get to the change property dialog box to set the scale
for the viewport? What pull down menu do you use?
"Lowell Holmes" <lholm@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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"hufdaddy" <imjeepin@alltel-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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The title block should always be at 1:1. always always always. So many
people have peoblems with that. Scale the view using XP, as metioned
before.
I've read the string and here are my comments for whatever their
worth.:-)
I draw in model space and don't worry about scale. The image is full
size.
Then on the layout tab, I use the change property dialog box. There is a
place to
set the scale for the viewport. After the viewport scale is set, I lock
the
view port in the same dialog box.
It is much easier than doing a zoom xp for most people. The layout is
paper
space and is plotted 1:1.
If I want to change the scale of the viewport, I do it in the change
properties dialog box.
This is for acad 2000 and later.
Release 14 requires the procedure you were talking about in earlier
posts.
Of course, rel 14 does not
have layout tabs.
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