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dakeb
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Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:51 am Post subject:
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rel 2001 Intralink 3.2
Some comments about the 'Replace' command:-
Drawings:
If I modify a drawing in Workspace - for example I change some Intralink
parameters for the Title Block - and it is already in session in Proe, Proe
fails to recognise it has changed, for the 'Replace' command reports all
objects are up to date. Regens don't change this status. I have found I have
to delete the drawing from session and open it up again.
Assemblies:
If I have an assembly in session in Proe, and I do an Intralink change
(normally fliename change to formalise it prior to issue), then do a Replace
command, Proe will update the objects in session. If I do the Replace
command again it reports all objects are up to date. This is incorrect. For
if I do a Regen, followed by a Replace, it finds more files to replace
afterwards! I can go through this Replace/Regen iteration a number of times
before all the objects in session are up to date. Why can't rhe regen
command do it's own regens until it detects no differences?
I have been told never to use the replace command, but rather erase
everything from session and re-open it after the changes. This is
cumbersome. If I want to change just one Intralink parameter or rename one
file I must close down the entire assembly? Then what is the Replace command
for?
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David Janes
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:45 am Post subject:
Re: Replace command |
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"dakeb" <david.bower@uk.thalesssssssspamgroup.com> wrote in message
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: rel 2001 Intralink 3.2
:
: Some comments about the 'Replace' command:-
:
: Drawings:
:
: If I modify a drawing in Workspace - for example I change some Intralink
: parameters for the Title Block - and it is already in session in Proe, Proe
: fails to recognise it has changed, for the 'Replace' command reports all
: objects are up to date. Regens don't change this status. I have found I have
: to delete the drawing from session and open it up again.
:
: Assemblies:
:
: If I have an assembly in session in Proe, and I do an Intralink change
: (normally fliename change to formalise it prior to issue), then do a Replace
: command, Proe will update the objects in session. If I do the Replace
: command again it reports all objects are up to date. This is incorrect. For
: if I do a Regen, followed by a Replace, it finds more files to replace
: afterwards! I can go through this Replace/Regen iteration a number of times
: before all the objects in session are up to date. Why can't rhe regen
: command do it's own regens until it detects no differences?
:
: I have been told never to use the replace command, but rather erase
: everything from session and re-open it after the changes. This is
: cumbersome. If I want to change just one Intralink parameter or rename one
: file I must close down the entire assembly? Then what is the Replace command
: for?
:
I guess I've never tried to use Replace for anything but replacing components in
assemblies. Maybe you should be able to 'replace' your current component with its
updated self, but Pro/e generally says, comparing your model to another, 'better'
one on disk/Intralink/etc that 'hey, I've got one of those already', comparing on
the crudest level, possibly only file names.
To do what you seem to be trying, involving Pro/e and Intralink, I've used
'File>Check in>Auto checkin' (gets the change registered in Intalink/Oracle), then
use 'File>Update>Current' to replace what's in memory with what's on disk and in
Intralink. Then, particularly with drawings, do a 'View>Update View>All sheets'.
This latter gets everything agreeing, all the parameter values synced in models,
assemblies and formats. Intralink, especially, seems to like this way of doing
things.
David Janes |
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dakeb
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:47 am Post subject:
Re: Replace command |
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"David Janes" <djanes@cox.net.reemoob> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "dakeb" <david.bower@uk.thalesssssssspamgroup.com> wrote in message
news:cjge27$3e5$1@rdel.co.uk...
: rel 2001 Intralink 3.2
:
: Some comments about the 'Replace' command:-
:
: Drawings:
:
: If I modify a drawing in Workspace - for example I change some Intralink
: parameters for the Title Block - and it is already in session in Proe,
Proe
: fails to recognise it has changed, for the 'Replace' command reports all
: objects are up to date. Regens don't change this status. I have found I
have
: to delete the drawing from session and open it up again.
:
: Assemblies:
:
: If I have an assembly in session in Proe, and I do an Intralink change
: (normally fliename change to formalise it prior to issue), then do a
Replace
: command, Proe will update the objects in session. If I do the Replace
: command again it reports all objects are up to date. This is incorrect.
For
: if I do a Regen, followed by a Replace, it finds more files to replace
: afterwards! I can go through this Replace/Regen iteration a number of
times
: before all the objects in session are up to date. Why can't rhe regen
: command do it's own regens until it detects no differences?
:
: I have been told never to use the replace command, but rather erase
: everything from session and re-open it after the changes. This is
: cumbersome. If I want to change just one Intralink parameter or rename
one
: file I must close down the entire assembly? Then what is the Replace
command
: for?
:
I guess I've never tried to use Replace for anything but replacing
components in
assemblies. Maybe you should be able to 'replace' your current component
with its
updated self, but Pro/e generally says, comparing your model to another,
'better'
one on disk/Intralink/etc that 'hey, I've got one of those already',
comparing on
the crudest level, possibly only file names.
To do what you seem to be trying, involving Pro/e and Intralink, I've used
'File>Check in>Auto checkin' (gets the change registered in
Intalink/Oracle), then
use 'File>Update>Current' to replace what's in memory with what's on disk
and in
Intralink. Then, particularly with drawings, do a 'View>Update View>All
sheets'.
This latter gets everything agreeing, all the parameter values synced in
models,
assemblies and formats. Intralink, especially, seems to like this way of
doing
things.
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I think the replace command you refer to for replacing components in
assemblies is the one under component/adv utilities? I'm referring to the
File/Replace command which checks the files in session against those in
Intralink for differences. If the file in Intralink is different, it
overwrites the part in Proe with it.
Come to think of it, the File/Save Changed command works in a similar way,
and will always report Drawings as needing to be saved. Even if you just
saved the drawing. It saves all drawings by default. This tells me that
Proe/Ilink doesn't have a clue how to compare drawing files.
I think those commands File/Checkin/Autocheckin and File/Update/current must
be only in WF, cos they're not in Proe 2001.
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David Janes
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Sun Oct 03, 2004 7:31 am Post subject:
Re: Replace command |
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: "dakeb" <david.bower@uk.thalesssssssspamgroup.com> wrote
: > "David Janes" <djanes@cox.net.reemoob> wrote
: > : "dakeb" <david.bower@uk.thalesssssssspamgroup.com> wrote
: > : rel 2001 Intralink 3.2
: > :
: > : Some comments about the 'Replace' command:-
: > :
: > : Drawings:
: > :
: > : If I modify a drawing in Workspace - for example I change some Intralink
: > : parameters for the Title Block - and it is already in session in Proe,
: Proe
: > : fails to recognise it has changed, for the 'Replace' command reports all
: > : objects are up to date. Regens don't change this status. I have found I
: have
: > : to delete the drawing from session and open it up again.
: > :
: > : Assemblies:
: > :
: > : If I have an assembly in session in Proe, and I do an Intralink change
: > : (normally fliename change to formalise it prior to issue), then do a
: Replace
: > : command, Proe will update the objects in session. If I do the Replace
: > : command again it reports all objects are up to date. This is incorrect.
: For
: > : if I do a Regen, followed by a Replace, it finds more files to replace
: > : afterwards! I can go through this Replace/Regen iteration a number of
: times
: > : before all the objects in session are up to date. Why can't rhe regen
: > : command do it's own regens until it detects no differences?
: > :
: > : I have been told never to use the replace command, but rather erase
: > : everything from session and re-open it after the changes. This is
: > : cumbersome. If I want to change just one Intralink parameter or rename
: one
: > : file I must close down the entire assembly? Then what is the Replace
: command
: > : for?
: > :
: > I guess I've never tried to use Replace for anything but replacing
: components in
: > assemblies. Maybe you should be able to 'replace' your current component
: with its
: > updated self, but Pro/e generally says, comparing your model to another,
: 'better'
: > one on disk/Intralink/etc that 'hey, I've got one of those already',
: comparing on
: > the crudest level, possibly only file names.
: >
: > To do what you seem to be trying, involving Pro/e and Intralink, I've used
: > 'File>Check in>Auto checkin' (gets the change registered in
: Intalink/Oracle), then
: > use 'File>Update>Current' to replace what's in memory with what's on disk
: and in
: > Intralink. Then, particularly with drawings, do a 'View>Update View>All
: sheets'.
: > This latter gets everything agreeing, all the parameter values synced in
: models,
: > assemblies and formats. Intralink, especially, seems to like this way of
: doing
: > things.
: >
:
: I think the replace command you refer to for replacing components in
: assemblies is the one under component/adv utilities? I'm referring to the
: File/Replace command which checks the files in session against those in
: Intralink for differences. If the file in Intralink is different, it
: overwrites the part in Proe with it.
:
: Come to think of it, the File/Save Changed command works in a similar way,
: and will always report Drawings as needing to be saved. Even if you just
: saved the drawing. It saves all drawings by default. This tells me that
: Proe/Ilink doesn't have a clue how to compare drawing files.
:
: I think those commands File/Checkin/Autocheckin and File/Update/current must
: be only in WF, cos they're not in Proe 2001.
:
Yeah, you're right. The only Intralink I've seen recently is 3.3 with Wildfire.
But there's no more File>Replace. I suspect that somebody finally figured out that
having two commands called Replace wasn't such a bright idea. I also suspect that
File>Update is what replaced the Intralink Replace.
Have you messed around with any of the config.pro settings that purport to govern
save behavior? I can't think of any that explain the goofy incremental save
business, but I can think of some that might do funny things with drawings. For
instance, if you set save_drawing_picture_file to embedded, any drawing you even
opened that didn't have a snapshot within it would be saved to capture the preview
picture. Other options, like save_objects set to changed_and_updated, could have
an effect such as you are viewing. Others, like save_modified_draw_models_only, if
changed from yes to no, could cause drawings to be saved when they hadn't been
previously. Then there are the options that work together to change save behavior,
like propagate_change_to_parents which works with save_objects to determine
whether parents objects get saved when their children do.
All in all, it's pretty complicated, even without Intralink getting thrown into
the mix and then there are additional options that govern how Pro/e's save
behavior reponds to it's presence. But, between the two, I can't really tell who's
in charge or which options are responsible for the goofy save behavior. When I
want to find out if it's a config.pro option, maybe something I changed that has
some unintended consequence, I'll rename it, let the system load its defaults and
see if that clears up the problem. If that doesn't fix it, I can look elsewhere
than config.pro settings. I am also convinced that Intralink is determining things
in the background of which I am only dimly aware, especially regarding how things
get saved. Maybe it's time to talk to your Intralink admin.
David Janes |
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dakeb
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Mon Oct 04, 2004 11:51 am Post subject:
Re: Replace command |
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"David Janes" <djanes@cox.net.invallud> wrote in message
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| Quote: | : "dakeb" <david.bower@uk.thalesssssssspamgroup.com> wrote
: > "David Janes" <djanes@cox.net.reemoob> wrote
: > : "dakeb" <david.bower@uk.thalesssssssspamgroup.com> wrote
: > : rel 2001 Intralink 3.2
: > :
: > : Some comments about the 'Replace' command:-
: > :
: > : Drawings:
: > :
: > : If I modify a drawing in Workspace - for example I change some
Intralink
: > : parameters for the Title Block - and it is already in session in
Proe,
: Proe
: > : fails to recognise it has changed, for the 'Replace' command reports
all
: > : objects are up to date. Regens don't change this status. I have
found I
: have
: > : to delete the drawing from session and open it up again.
: > :
: > : Assemblies:
: > :
: > : If I have an assembly in session in Proe, and I do an Intralink
change
: > : (normally fliename change to formalise it prior to issue), then do a
: Replace
: > : command, Proe will update the objects in session. If I do the
Replace
: > : command again it reports all objects are up to date. This is
incorrect.
: For
: > : if I do a Regen, followed by a Replace, it finds more files to
replace
: > : afterwards! I can go through this Replace/Regen iteration a number
of
: times
: > : before all the objects in session are up to date. Why can't rhe
regen
: > : command do it's own regens until it detects no differences?
: > :
: > : I have been told never to use the replace command, but rather erase
: > : everything from session and re-open it after the changes. This is
: > : cumbersome. If I want to change just one Intralink parameter or
rename
: one
: > : file I must close down the entire assembly? Then what is the Replace
: command
: > : for?
: > :
: > I guess I've never tried to use Replace for anything but replacing
: components in
: > assemblies. Maybe you should be able to 'replace' your current
component
: with its
: > updated self, but Pro/e generally says, comparing your model to
another,
: 'better'
: > one on disk/Intralink/etc that 'hey, I've got one of those already',
: comparing on
: > the crudest level, possibly only file names.
:
: > To do what you seem to be trying, involving Pro/e and Intralink, I've
used
: > 'File>Check in>Auto checkin' (gets the change registered in
: Intalink/Oracle), then
: > use 'File>Update>Current' to replace what's in memory with what's on
disk
: and in
: > Intralink. Then, particularly with drawings, do a 'View>Update
View>All
: sheets'.
: > This latter gets everything agreeing, all the parameter values synced
in
: models,
: > assemblies and formats. Intralink, especially, seems to like this way
of
: doing
: > things.
:
:
: I think the replace command you refer to for replacing components in
: assemblies is the one under component/adv utilities? I'm referring to
the
: File/Replace command which checks the files in session against those in
: Intralink for differences. If the file in Intralink is different, it
: overwrites the part in Proe with it.
:
: Come to think of it, the File/Save Changed command works in a similar
way,
: and will always report Drawings as needing to be saved. Even if you just
: saved the drawing. It saves all drawings by default. This tells me that
: Proe/Ilink doesn't have a clue how to compare drawing files.
:
: I think those commands File/Checkin/Autocheckin and File/Update/current
must
: be only in WF, cos they're not in Proe 2001.
:
Yeah, you're right. The only Intralink I've seen recently is 3.3 with
Wildfire.
But there's no more File>Replace. I suspect that somebody finally figured
out that
having two commands called Replace wasn't such a bright idea. I also
suspect that
File>Update is what replaced the Intralink Replace.
Have you messed around with any of the config.pro settings that purport to
govern
save behavior? I can't think of any that explain the goofy incremental
save
business, but I can think of some that might do funny things with
drawings. For
instance, if you set save_drawing_picture_file to embedded, any drawing
you even
opened that didn't have a snapshot within it would be saved to capture the
preview
picture. Other options, like save_objects set to changed_and_updated,
could have
an effect such as you are viewing. Others, like
save_modified_draw_models_only, if
changed from yes to no, could cause drawings to be saved when they hadn't
been
previously. Then there are the options that work together to change save
behavior,
like propagate_change_to_parents which works with save_objects to
determine
whether parents objects get saved when their children do.
All in all, it's pretty complicated, even without Intralink getting thrown
into
the mix and then there are additional options that govern how Pro/e's save
behavior reponds to it's presence. But, between the two, I can't really
tell who's
in charge or which options are responsible for the goofy save behavior.
When I
want to find out if it's a config.pro option, maybe something I changed
that has
some unintended consequence, I'll rename it, let the system load its
defaults and
see if that clears up the problem. If that doesn't fix it, I can look
elsewhere
than config.pro settings. I am also convinced that Intralink is
determining things
in the background of which I am only dimly aware, especially regarding how
things
get saved. Maybe it's time to talk to your Intralink admin.
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Thanks David.
It's too complicated and too time consuming to try out all these config file
options.
I think it's about time PTC made the setup files in proe more user-friendly
rather than programmer-friendly. |
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