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ken
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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Of course, all that they touted as great new features (minus the CAM) were
already available in Solid Edge and SolidWorks for several releases, and we
all know that they haven't stood still either for those past several
releases, so VX is just that far behind again. They summed it up at the end
of the article: "However, with competitors like SolidWorks, Solid Edge and
thinkdesign making great strides in this area, the ball is in VX's court to
continue developing NICHE functionality that caters to IT'S user base and
separates it from the rest of the pack.".
Good luck!
Ken
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Cliff
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject:
Re: VX 11 Reviewed |
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On 10 Dec 2005 13:17:23 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Toss it in the trash where it belongs !
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Last I looked there was some nutcase called jonbanquer
whining on one of the BBS systems that they had (at long last)
found that the CAM bits did not work.
I really enjoyed the comments.
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jon_banquer
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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ken wrote:
| Quote: | Of course, all that they touted as great new features (minus the CAM) were
already available in Solid Edge and SolidWorks for several releases, and we
all know that they haven't stood still either for those past several
releases, so VX is just that far behind again. They summed it up at the end
of the article: "However, with competitors like SolidWorks, Solid Edge and
thinkdesign making great strides in this area, the ball is in VX's court to
continue developing NICHE functionality that caters to IT'S user base and
separates it from the rest of the pack.".
Good luck!
Ken
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There is no CAM created by SaladWorks Corp. for SaladWorks.
VX has their own integrated CAM.
VX has created their own kernel.
SaladWorks Corp. is not capable of doing so.
VX has been built as a hybrid modeler with integrated CAM from the
ground up.
Who's FAR behind ?
jon (SaladWorks... Toss It ! ) |
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ken
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Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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That's why I said "minus the CAM". The niche market is probably limited to
only mold makers who "use" other's geometry to cut metal with. For those of
us that do product design that not only encompasses molded parts, but parts
and assemblies produced by other processes, VX falls a bit short. And with
the current capabilities of SolidWorks/Solid Edge with respect to surfaces
and imported geometry, coupling them with a "best of class" CAM system (and
VX isn't it) would provide much more capabilities than VX can hope to.
Ken
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| Quote: | ken wrote:
Of course, all that they touted as great new features (minus the CAM)
were
already available in Solid Edge and SolidWorks for several releases, and
we
all know that they haven't stood still either for those past several
releases, so VX is just that far behind again. They summed it up at the
end
of the article: "However, with competitors like SolidWorks, Solid Edge
and
thinkdesign making great strides in this area, the ball is in VX's court
to
continue developing NICHE functionality that caters to IT'S user base and
separates it from the rest of the pack.".
Good luck!
Ken
There is no CAM created by SaladWorks Corp. for SaladWorks.
VX has their own integrated CAM.
VX has created their own kernel.
SaladWorks Corp. is not capable of doing so.
VX has been built as a hybrid modeler with integrated CAM from the
ground up.
Who's FAR behind ?
jon (SaladWorks... Toss It ! )
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ken
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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Yes it can. It has been done, and it was found to be good. CAM is a
downstream process. It is used to manufacture an object whose definition
has already been set by someone other than the CNC programmer. It is not
his job to change the geometry, only produce it. The sooner you realize it,
the sooner you can give up the frivolous marketing and can join the rest of
use using truly revolutionary tools.
Ken
"jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ken wrote:
| Quote: | That's why I said "minus the CAM". The niche market is probably limited
to
only mold makers who "use" other's geometry to cut metal with. For those
of
us that do product design that not only encompasses molded parts, but
parts
and assemblies produced by other processes, VX falls a bit short. And
with
the current capabilities of SolidWorks/Solid Edge with respect to surfaces
and imported geometry, coupling them with a "best of class" CAM system
(and
VX isn't it) would provide much more capabilities than VX can hope to.
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CAD can't really be separated from CAM unless one just likes to just
make pretty pictures on their computer.
"The niche market is probably limited to only mold makers"
Most machining job shops have to deal with imported data. Imported data
is an area where SaladWorks, SolidWedge, Preventer, etc. fail
miserably. One needs to be able to directly edit imported non-native
geometry and that doesn't mean a one solution approach like GSSL's
FeatureWorks.... it means that non-native imported geometry must be
able to be edited at the lowest level.... wireframe.
Your right VX CAM isn't perfect....but it's a hell of a lot better than
non-existent *native* CAM that none of the above products offer.
Neither is the VX UI for surfacing perfect... not much was done in this
area from VX 10 to VX 11 and it needs to be addressed. When the
surfacing UI in VX is addressed you can bet your last dollar that it
will be done in the same well thought out way that VX addressed their
main UI ... not the freaking mess that SaladWorks has for a surfacing
UI.
VX is much less of a compromise than SaladWorks, SolidWedge, Preventer,
etc. for many users... not just moldmakers.
VX's development is predictable and well thought for the following
reason:
http://www.vx.com/vorwaller.cfm
"Mr. Vorwaller has guided the design, development and documentation of
three generations of CAD/CAM products at VX and was the architect
behind VX CAD/CAMT, a powerful technology that delivers sophisticated
three-dimensional hybrid modeling tools."
"His ongoing vision has been to develop highly functional, highly
productive and extremely accurate software tools that meet the needs of
both design engineers and manufacturers. Although current CAD toolset
and interface technology is becoming more commonly understood, he
believes the core technologies are still in need of significant
improvement."
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Cliff
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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On 11 Dec 2005 15:51:52 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | I will be able to stop wasting my time typing to
someone who has no idea how things get manufactured at a reasonable
cost in the real world.
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Scrap does cost less, right?
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Cliff
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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On 11 Dec 2005 15:51:52 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | The sooner you start working in a small machining job shop
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Ever actually drilled a hole?
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Cliff
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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On 11 Dec 2005 13:36:56 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | CAD can't really be separated from CAM unless one just likes to just
make pretty pictures on their computer.
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That's contrary to what one clueless idiot keeps claiming.
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jon_banquer
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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ken wrote:
| Quote: | That's why I said "minus the CAM". The niche market is probably limited to
only mold makers who "use" other's geometry to cut metal with. For those of
us that do product design that not only encompasses molded parts, but parts
and assemblies produced by other processes, VX falls a bit short. And with
the current capabilities of SolidWorks/Solid Edge with respect to surfaces
and imported geometry, coupling them with a "best of class" CAM system (and
VX isn't it) would provide much more capabilities than VX can hope to.
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CAD can't really be separated from CAM unless one just likes to just
make pretty pictures on their computer.
"The niche market is probably limited to only mold makers"
Most machining job shops have to deal with imported data. Imported data
is an area where SaladWorks, SolidWedge, Preventer, etc. fail
miserably. One needs to be able to directly edit imported non-native
geometry and that doesn't mean a one solution approach like GSSL's
FeatureWorks.... it means that non-native imported geometry must be
able to be edited at the lowest level.... wireframe.
Your right VX CAM isn't perfect....but it's a hell of a lot better than
non-existent *native* CAM that none of the above products offer.
Neither is the VX UI for surfacing perfect... not much was done in this
area from VX 10 to VX 11 and it needs to be addressed. When the
surfacing UI in VX is addressed you can bet your last dollar that it
will be done in the same well thought out way that VX addressed their
main UI ... not the freaking mess that SaladWorks has for a surfacing
UI.
VX is much less of a compromise than SaladWorks, SolidWedge, Preventer,
etc. for many users... not just moldmakers.
VX's development is predictable and well thought for the following
reason:
http://www.vx.com/vorwaller.cfm
"Mr. Vorwaller has guided the design, development and documentation of
three generations of CAD/CAM products at VX and was the architect
behind VX CAD/CAM™, a powerful technology that delivers sophisticated
three-dimensional hybrid modeling tools."
"His ongoing vision has been to develop highly functional, highly
productive and extremely accurate software tools that meet the needs of
both design engineers and manufacturers. Although current CAD toolset
and interface technology is becoming more commonly understood, he
believes the core technologies are still in need of significant
improvement."
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jon_banquer
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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ken wrote:
| Quote: | Yes it can. It has been done, and it was found to be good. CAM is a
downstream process. It is used to manufacture an object whose definition
has already been set by someone other than the CNC programmer. It is not
his job to change the geometry, only produce it. The sooner you realize it,
the sooner you can give up the frivolous marketing and can join the rest of
use using truly revolutionary tools.
Ken
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The sooner you start working in a small machining job shop / start
reading and believing acknowledged industry experts like Ken
Versprille, the sooner I will be able to stop wasting my time typing to
someone who has no idea how things get manufactured at a reasonable
cost in the real world.
Your post clearly shows your total lack of real world experience in a
small machining job shop .
Our shop modifies and make designs manufacturable on a weekly basis.
It's how we keep are customers happy.
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sittingduck
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:10 am Post subject:
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jon_banquer wrote:
| Quote: | The sooner you start working in a small machining job shop / start
reading and believing acknowledged industry experts like Ken
Versprille, the sooner I will be able to stop wasting my time typing to
someone who has no idea how things get manufactured at a reasonable
cost in the real world.
Your post clearly shows your total lack of real world experience in a
small machining job shop .
Our shop modifies and make designs manufacturable on a weekly basis.
It's how we keep are customers happy.
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Surely you are joking.
Read the posts again and pretend you aren't who you are. Ken is lightyears
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Cliff
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject:
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On 11 Dec 2005 09:46:13 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | There is no CAM created by SaladWorks Corp. for SaladWorks.
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Could it be that it's a CAD system?
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Cliff
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject:
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On 11 Dec 2005 09:46:13 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | VX has created their own kernel.
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So did http://www.popcornfest.net/Orville.htm
But he was first.
HTH
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Cliff
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Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject:
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On 11 Dec 2005 09:46:13 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | VX has created their own kernel.
SaladWorks Corp. is not capable of doing so.
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Why would they want to????
Must be moron central.
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