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stephen4444 · Guest

Let me see If I get the right steps down:

First create you own user arrow (like a triangle or something) in a new drawing on layer 0 (draw to a scale that looks right).

Then block it (named arrow).

Then from the dimension style use standard or any style, modify,
line and arrows (tab),
under arrowheads,
leaders:
user arrows...(choose arrow)
set current, close.

Then command: Leader (pick your points and text etc.)

Then change the text and leader to layer (s-arrow, color 2)

Then block it again (text and leader, name it xplan) pick point and select object. (this is where you can also xref also)

Then set the layer to 0.
Insert the block "xplan" (or xref the dwg "xplan"), pick the point, scale ,etc.

Then turn off the layer "s-arrow" (not freeze) (or xref layer xplan|s-arrow).

Now setup to plot with a preview, what do you see?

gomez · Guest

I see the arrows

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Kate M · Guest

Very interesting...I tried this on one of my own drawings, and when I went
to plot preview, I could see *all* the leaders, even though their layer was
off. None of the arrowheads showed up, though -- *except* for the custom
ones. Still not supposed to work that way, though -- anybody know if this is
a documented bug yet?

stephen4444 · Guest

would you post your test drawing? for me to check it out? thanks

stephen4444 · Guest

exactly, I am glad I'm not the only one!

Dean Saadallah · Guest

The quirk seems to be limited to your block, actually, your block creation
method:
- Explode your abc-leader block, your problem goes away in preview and plot.
- Create your abc-leader block on Layer zero, as everyone has been
suggesting since your last post, and your problem goes away in preview and
plot.

But what you did was create your abc-leader block on the layer you turned
off, not layer Zero as everyone is noting, and it is creating the 'quirk'
you notice. For your method, you also need to turn off the creation layer
too.
It would seem AutoCAD is only doing what you are telling it to do, turn off
your layer but not layer zero where your leader arrow was created: OFF is
not reading the nested leader block layer, it's not supposed to, it's more
of a superficial function for quick usage as OC and I discussed in your last
post.

Freeze on the other hand hoses everything with no exceptions, quirk is not
available.

Enjoy.

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OLD-CADaver · Guest

Again Dean you've missed the point entirely. The layer turns off in the display just as it should. It is not visible onscreen, YET IT PLOTS.

That is ABNORMAL behavior, NOT a freeze vs off issue.

Dean Saadallah · Guest

No, you missed what I posted: we are still talking about plotting, not
screen display.

Reread my thread in context of plotting, not screen visibility. Use his
block, his file, not yours, not your blocks.

This is not about screen visibility, it's about plotting.

It is not abnormal, it is doing what he asks: re-read my breakdown summary
again, with PLOTTING as the context, not screen visibility.

Try it with his file only, not yours.

You and I are talking about the same exact thing, but I am using his funky
block, you are using yours. There is no disagreement between us, you are
just not reading my posts in context.

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OLD-CADaver · Guest

<<This is not about screen visibility, it's about plotting.
...
with PLOTTING as the context, not screen visibility. >>

But Dean, that the WHOLE POINT. If it is NOT visible on the blody screen it shouldn't bloody plot, I don't care what layer it's on.

<<Try it with his file only, not yours. >>

I did, it is NOT VISIBLE on the screen, but IT STILL PLOTS. That IS ABNORMAL behavior.

Dean Saadallah · Guest

stephen4444 · Guest

"- Explode your abc-leader block, your problem goes away in preview and plot."

That's what I have been doing a long time !!
(for ease of modifing, just trying to be productive in creating a associate leader with user arrow, so that its easier to stretch when the location is changed. Like the reguar leader with arrow. Once its exploded, you either have to redraw it or twicked it to make it look right everytime the leader is moved or stretched)

"- Create your abc-leader block on Layer zero, as everyone has been suggesting since your last post, and your problem goes away in preview and plot."

The user arrow is created on layer 0 !!

My issue isn't about plotting. It's about the "user arrow behavior".

The user arrow used in Leader dimension does not behave the same (layer off) as the user arrow used in linear dimensions (or other blocks) after its blocked or xref like the sample I have previously posted.

Is that normal behavior? or a bug to be fixed on next version?
Doesn't prior versions have some problems with the user arrow also?

stephen4444 · Guest

Glad you see it too. Thanks.

Warren Trost · Guest

I use to have the same problem with truetype fonts in an XREF that plotted
through the paper while in modelspace outside the area that showed in the
viewport. Only solution was to change the font in the XREF to a .shx type.

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OLD-CADaver · Guest

<< It's what I've been saying too this whole time ;)>>

And you've said several times that it's supposed to work that way. BUT IT'S NOT. That is ABNORMAL behaviour. sheesh!

OLD-CADaver · Guest

Yes, and I can re-create it with blocks, so far XREFs behave NORMALLY.

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