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Sporkman
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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Forgive the OT post, please. As usual I trust the denizens of
comp.cad.solidworks to come up with a useful answer to a somewhat
technical question, since most people here are naturally
hardware-centric. As a contributor of about six or seven years now I
think maybe I might call in a favor once in a while . . . correct me if
I'm wrong.
Both my neighbor and my mother need a hinge for an exterior door that is
secure, but which will allow the door to open outward instead of
inward. Looking over various hardware web sites (Southco,
McMaster-Carr, MSC, etc.) and having gone to Home Cheapo and also Lowe's
I'm still clueless. Yeh, I know there are hinges with caps that can't
be taken off, but a disk cutter can still defeat the hinge. There are
also hinges with pin embedded in one side and the other side with hole,
and when you put two hinges in with pins facing opposite the door can't
be easily taken off from outside . . . except again it can be defeated
with a disk cutter. Has anyone ever seen a hinge -- maybe one that
folds out (sort of) -- in which the pin is below flush and/or otherwise
can't be defeated with a little elbow grease from outside?
TIA
'Sporky'
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Brian M
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:05 am Post subject:
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Did you check out #1612A55 at McMaster (full mortise hinge)? This
particular size is made for a 1 3/4 door (common exterior size), and it
would be fully hidden and unavailable for tampering.
I've also seen "continuous geared hinges" which are another option but are
exposed on the exterior just as standard hinges would be. The difference is
that it runs from the top to the bottom of the door... I can't imagine
anybody taking the time to cut six feet of hinge away. They're expensive.
Concealed hinges (similar to the first spec) are probably the way to
go--they're just hard to find. Good luck, & let me know if there's anything
else I can do.
Brian
"Sporkman" <sporkedUNDERLINEagainMUNGE@bigfootDOT.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Forgive the OT post, please. As usual I trust the denizens of
comp.cad.solidworks to come up with a useful answer to a somewhat
technical question, since most people here are naturally
hardware-centric. As a contributor of about six or seven years now I
think maybe I might call in a favor once in a while . . . correct me if
I'm wrong.
Both my neighbor and my mother need a hinge for an exterior door that is
secure, but which will allow the door to open outward instead of
inward. Looking over various hardware web sites (Southco,
McMaster-Carr, MSC, etc.) and having gone to Home Cheapo and also Lowe's
I'm still clueless. Yeh, I know there are hinges with caps that can't
be taken off, but a disk cutter can still defeat the hinge. There are
also hinges with pin embedded in one side and the other side with hole,
and when you put two hinges in with pins facing opposite the door can't
be easily taken off from outside . . . except again it can be defeated
with a disk cutter. Has anyone ever seen a hinge -- maybe one that
folds out (sort of) -- in which the pin is below flush and/or otherwise
can't be defeated with a little elbow grease from outside?
TIA
'Sporky' |
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Sporkman
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:14 am Post subject:
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Cool!!! I think that just MIGHT do it.
THANKS
Brian M wrote:
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Did you check out #1612A55 at McMaster (full mortise hinge)? This
particular size is made for a 1 3/4 door (common exterior size), and it
would be fully hidden and unavailable for tampering.
I've also seen "continuous geared hinges" which are another option but are
exposed on the exterior just as standard hinges would be. The difference is
that it runs from the top to the bottom of the door... I can't imagine
anybody taking the time to cut six feet of hinge away. They're expensive.
Concealed hinges (similar to the first spec) are probably the way to
go--they're just hard to find. Good luck, & let me know if there's anything
else I can do.
Brian |
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Phil Evans
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:22 am Post subject:
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We have hinges on our office doors just like your mums. What our locksmith
did was put two steel pins on the door at the hingeline, these go into holes
in metal plates recessed and screwed on the door jamb. When the door is
closed and locked the hinges can be removed but the pins are engaged in the
jamb, the door cannot be opened.
A good locksmith should have these.
"Sporkman" <sporkedUNDERLINEagainMUNGE@bigfootDOT.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Forgive the OT post, please. As usual I trust the denizens of
comp.cad.solidworks to come up with a useful answer to a somewhat
technical question, since most people here are naturally
hardware-centric. As a contributor of about six or seven years now I
think maybe I might call in a favor once in a while . . . correct me if
I'm wrong.
Both my neighbor and my mother need a hinge for an exterior door that is
secure, but which will allow the door to open outward instead of
inward. Looking over various hardware web sites (Southco,
McMaster-Carr, MSC, etc.) and having gone to Home Cheapo and also Lowe's
I'm still clueless. Yeh, I know there are hinges with caps that can't
be taken off, but a disk cutter can still defeat the hinge. There are
also hinges with pin embedded in one side and the other side with hole,
and when you put two hinges in with pins facing opposite the door can't
be easily taken off from outside . . . except again it can be defeated
with a disk cutter. Has anyone ever seen a hinge -- maybe one that
folds out (sort of) -- in which the pin is below flush and/or otherwise
can't be defeated with a little elbow grease from outside?
TIA
'Sporky' |
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Sporkman
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:10 am Post subject:
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Phil Evans wrote:
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We have hinges on our office doors just like your mums. What our locksmith
did was put two steel pins on the door at the hingeline, these go into holes
in metal plates recessed and screwed on the door jamb. When the door is
closed and locked the hinges can be removed but the pins are engaged in the
jamb, the door cannot be opened.
A good locksmith should have these.
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Can't envision it from your description. Wish I could. Thanks anyway.
Maybe I'll take the description to a locksmith. |
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Phil Evans
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 9:10 am Post subject:
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http://www.majormfg.com/hinge_pins.htm
"Sporkman" <sporkedUNDERLINEagainMUNGE@bigfootDOT.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Phil Evans wrote:
We have hinges on our office doors just like your mums. What our
locksmith
did was put two steel pins on the door at the hingeline, these go into
holes
in metal plates recessed and screwed on the door jamb. When the door is
closed and locked the hinges can be removed but the pins are engaged in
the
jamb, the door cannot be opened.
A good locksmith should have these.
Can't envision it from your description. Wish I could. Thanks anyway.
Maybe I'll take the description to a locksmith. |
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Bonobo
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Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Exterior door hinge |
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Sporkman wrote:
| Quote: | Phil Evans wrote:
A good locksmith should have these.
Can't envision it from your description. Wish I could. Thanks anyway.
Maybe I'll take the description to a locksmith.
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Also check out the Soss hinges, which are completely invisible from the
outside.
They make them in 3" sizes out of bronze & stainless, as I have used
them on boats.
I just tried the following on a lark and the link worked:
http://www.soss.com/
Have fun: Bo |
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