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KLYPH
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject:
Drawing from Grips |
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Sometimes, I wish to start a line from a grip of something. As an example, let's say I wish a single-line mtext to line up vertically with a two-line mtext. Several AutoCAD editions ago, I would select the two-line mtext and the grips would display. I would then place the cursor on the upper-left grip. Then I would start a line and that line would automatically start from that grip. I would then align the single-line text with that line. NOW, however, as soon as I start the line command, the grips disappear and I am no longer locked on that upper-left grip as the beginning of that line. Yes, I know that in the above example, I could change the insertion points of both of the mtexts to the upper left, but our office standard is for the insertion points to be center-left or center-right. I would rather not change a few mtexts' insertion points to acheive what I used to do all the time. I have search to no avail. Is there a setting that will keep the grips active so that I can select one when starting a line? I appreciate any help given. Read Ya Later -KLYPH
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Allen Jessup
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject:
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I don't see a way. 2 workarounds: Draw the line first. Start at where the
endpoint would be for the line in your example. End it near the TL of the
text. Select both text and line to activate Grips. Grip the end of the line
to stretch it and snap to the Grip at the TL of the text.
Or use Express tools to rotate the text then move to the position you need
Or a third: Draw a line from the insertion point to whatever defines the
angle you want. Select the text. Grip it at the TL. Cycle to Rotate. Type R
for reference if you need to. If you need reference us the Grips at TL & TR
as the reference line. Use the PARallel osnap to set the rotation angle
parallel to the reference line you drew.
HTH
Allen
"KLYPH" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sometimes, I wish to start a line from a grip of something. As an
example, let's say I wish a single-line mtext to line up vertically with
a two-line mtext. Several AutoCAD editions ago, I would select the
two-line mtext and the grips would display. I would then place the cursor
on the upper-left grip. Then I would start a line and that line would
automatically start from that grip. I would then align the single-line
text with that line. NOW, however, as soon as I start the line command,
the grips disappear and I am no longer locked on that upper-left grip as
the beginning of that line. Yes, I know that in the above example, I
could change the insertion points of both of the mtexts to the upper left,
but our office standard is for the insertion points to be center-left or
center-right. I would rather not change a few mtexts' insertion points to
acheive what I used to do all the time. I have search to no avail. Is
there a setting that will keep the grips active so that I can select one
when starting a line? I appreciate any help given. Read Ya Later -KLYPH |
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KLYPH
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Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Drawing from Grips |
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Allen, I appreciate your quick response, even if it isn't what I had hoped to hear. I have been doing steps similar to your suggestions. I just wanted the answer to be a simple "settings" change. I should have asked it as soon as I noticed the problem, but I wasn't active in these discussion groups at the time. Again, thanks for your answers. Read Ya Later -Cliff
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Allen Jessup
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:33 am Post subject:
Re: Drawing from Grips |
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Autodesk giveth and autodesk taketh away.
I just did a quick dance through Help and didn't see anything that would
help. Maybe try the Knowledge Base.
Allen
"KLYPH" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Allen, I appreciate your quick response, even if it isn't what I had hoped
to hear. I have been doing steps similar to your suggestions. I just
wanted the answer to be a simple "settings" change. I should have asked
it as soon as I noticed the problem, but I wasn't active in these
discussion groups at the time. Again, thanks for your answers. Read Ya
Later -Cliff |
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Kate M
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:03 am Post subject:
Re: Drawing from Grips |
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Why can't you draw your line from the insertion point of the text? And even
if you don't change the insertion point, a NODE snap is available at all
four corners of the mtext. Alternatively, you could use OTRACK to hover over
the insertion points/nodes and track that way. |
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Matt
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:19 am Post subject:
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Learned something new today.....thanks Kate, never realized that node points
worked on MT.
Thanks,
Matt
"Kate M" <morrical@NOSPAMdc.rsapc.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Why can't you draw your line from the insertion point of the text? And
even
if you don't change the insertion point, a NODE snap is available at all
four corners of the mtext. Alternatively, you could use OTRACK to hover
over
the insertion points/nodes and track that way.
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Tom Smith
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:27 am Post subject:
Re: Drawing from Grips |
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| Quote: | Several AutoCAD editions ago, I would select the two-line mtext and the
grips would display. I would then place the cursor on the upper-left grip. |
Then I would start a line and that line would automatically start from that
grip
I don't remember that behavior, never used it. It's not there in R14, which
is the oldest version I still have installed.
| Quote: | Yes, I know that in the above example, I could change the insertion points
of both of the mtexts to the upper left, but our office standard is for the |
insertion points to be center-left or center-right.
In 2004, all four corners of mtext entities are always available as node
osnaps, in addition to whatever the actual ionsertion point is. Add nodes to
your running osnaps and you can always pick any of those points without
needing to preselect the mtext or changing any justification types. I
understand in 2005 they added a variable to control whether the nodes are
activated. |
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madcadd
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:14 am Post subject:
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Hi Cliff,
If your MT is TL, then draw a vertical line (with ortho on), from "INSERT" and it will use the TL grip.
I too, have never known of the ability to directly draw a line on a given MT grip with this one exception. |
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Huw
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:27 am Post subject:
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I remember using grips as snap points, though maybe not quite in that way. I think it was something to do with 2000's two step deselection process - select an object and Esc once, leaving the grips on screen but the object no longer dashed. I just started up 2000 to try it, and couldn't figure out how I used to do it though. (2000 may look old fashioned, but those button icons are SO clear!)
What you can do as a work around is draw the line nearby, then select both the line and mtext, then grab the line's endpoit grip and put it on the mtext grip - it will snap there.
KLYPH wrote:
| Quote: | Sometimes, I wish to start a line from a grip of something. As an
example, let's say I wish a single-line mtext to line up vertically
with a two-line mtext. Several AutoCAD editions ago, I would select
the two-line mtext and the grips would display. I would then place
the cursor on the upper-left grip. Then I would start a line and
that line would automatically start from that grip. I would then
align the single-line text with that line. NOW, however, as soon as
I start the line command, the grips disappear and I am no longer
locked on that upper-left grip as the beginning of that line. Yes,
I know that in the above example, I could change the insertion points
of both of the mtexts to the upper left, but our office standard is
for the insertion points to be center-left or center-right. I would
rather not change a few mtexts' insertion points to acheive what I
used to do all the time. I have search to no avail. Is there a
setting that will keep the grips active so that I can select one when
starting a line? I appreciate any help given. Read Ya Later -KLYPH |
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Igor Mironenko
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:32 am Post subject:
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You can try this. Click on the Mtext and then select the grip you need. The grip should be hot. Press Escape key. Start line and for the first point select the previous point (@) and press Enter. Then specify the second point.
For aligning of the text I would suggest to place UCS to the insertion point of the text to which you want to align the other text objects. Open Properties dialog box. Click on the text you want to align. In "Geometry" section of the Dialog Box change corresponding coordinate as needed. For vertical alignment - change "X" coordinate. For horizontal one - "Y" should be addressed.
Igor.
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KLYPH wrote:
| Quote: | Sometimes, I wish to start a line from a grip of something. As an example, let's say I wish a single-line mtext to line up vertically with a two-line mtext. Several AutoCAD editions ago, I would select the two-line mtext and the grips would display. I would then place the cursor on the upper-left grip. Then I would start a line and that line would automatically start from that grip. I would then align the single-line text with that line. NOW, however, as soon as I start the line command, the grips disappear and I am no longer locked on that upper-left grip as the beginning of that line. Yes, I know that in the above example, I could change the insertion points of both of the mtexts to the upper left, but our office standard is for the insertion points to be center-left or center-right. I would rather not change a few mtexts' insertion points to acheive what I used to do all the time. I have search to no avail. Is there a setting that will keep the grips active so that I
can select one when starting a line? I appreciate any help given. Read Ya Later -KLYPH |
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Huw
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 5:51 am Post subject:
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That's another good work around.
Patrick's reply here is what I was thinking of:
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?messageID=6866
Igor Mironenko" <"igor wrote:
| Quote: | You can try this. Click on the Mtext and then select the grip you
need. The grip should be hot. Press Escape key. Start line and for
the first point select the previous point (@) and press Enter. Then
specify the second point.
For aligning of the text I would suggest to place UCS to the
insertion point of the text to which you want to align the other text
objects. Open Properties dialog box. Click on the text you want to
align. In "Geometry" section of the Dialog Box change corresponding
coordinate as needed. For vertical alignment - change "X" coordinate.
For horizontal one - "Y" should be addressed. |
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KLYPH
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject:
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| Kate, Thanks for your reply. Since our office has the insertion poin in the middle of the left or right, this insertion point is a different "y" dimension for a single line mtext than it is for a multi-line mtext. I was trying to use the NODE snap at the upper left corner, but as soon as I start the LINE command, this NODE disappears. I have searched both HELP and Express Tools Help, but have been unable to find any info on "OTRACK." Am I missing something. Again, thanks for your input. Read Ya Later -KLYPH |
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KLYPH
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject:
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| Tom, thanks for your reply. Our office is currently 2002, but we're graduating to 2005 soon. I'll look for to work as you described. Again, thanks. Read Ya Later -KLYPH |
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KLYPH
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:51 pm Post subject:
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| Dear Madcadd, someone reminded me that back when we had R14, we had some add-on programs, and that may be why we could draw from a corner grip. Release 2000 was such a wonderful change that we didn't need to buy the new add-on. But, back to your answer, what is "TL"? I have checked the HELP and Express Tools Help but to no avail. Thanks for your answer. Read Ya Later -Cliff |
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KLYPH
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Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:55 pm Post subject:
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| Igor, your first answer works!!!! Thanks so much. I will easily align text from now on. Your second answer is also good, but is a few more steps than I can justify just to make the drawing look a little better. Thanks again. Read Ya Later -KLYPH |
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