| Author |
Message |
Dave Jones
Guest
|
 Posted:
Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
"OLD-CADaver" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
news:635565.1107014783505.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum1.autodesk.com...
| Quote: | Window? What's a window??
|
window = reward for 40 years of faithful service :)
|
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Dean Saadallah
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Jan 29, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
Exactly the problem of the OP (why we are here): now that we are clear on
that, Freeze would be the answer, not your sideline mis-read of a sentence
in my response and the subsequent thread.
Cracks me up how things just go off on a tangent around here lol
--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
-- |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
OLD-CADaver
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:02 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
The OP's problem is not FREEZE vs OFF, but rather placing objects on the right layer for the task.
Had he built the arrowhead block on layer 0, and placed the dimension on the proper annotation layer, then either OFF or FREEZE should have accomplished his desires.
Layer FREEZE and Layer OFF are two different tools, with vastly different results, and vastly different uses. The "ALWAYS FREEZE" answer places undue limits on the flexibility of the tool.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
OLD-CADaver
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Jan 29, 2005 10:07 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
<<window = reward for 40 years of faithful service :)>>
Ahhh... I won't be here that long, looking to retire before that. ;-) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dave Jones
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
"OLD-CADaver" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
news:26016379.1107018480590.JavaMail.jive@jiveforum1.autodesk.com...
| Quote: | window = reward for 40 years of faithful service :)
Ahhh... I won't be here that long, looking to retire before that. ;-)
|
retire? what's retire mean?? :) |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
OLD-CADaver
Guest
|
| Posted:
Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
HAHAHA!! LOL
It's like being unemployed, only without the benefits. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dean Saadallah
Guest
|
| Posted:
Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
Exactly the answer you should have posted to the OP, instead of grasping my
sentence out of context: as I pointed out earlier.
Finally!
--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
-- |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
OLD-CADaver
Guest
|
| Posted:
Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
| FREEZE vs. OFF was NOT an issue until you made it one with your "always freeze" comment. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stephen4444
Guest
|
| Posted:
Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
From ACAD help:
"OFF" Makes selected layers invisible and excludes them from plotting.
Is that statement true?
The user arrow is created in layer 0, and changed to layer s-ldrs.
When a drawing contain those user arrows it will plot OK with just the layer off.
But when its blocked then insert into another drawing (not exploded) or xrefed another drawing with the layer 0 or s-ldrs still off. When you do a preview the user arrows shows up untill you froze the layer.
My question is not how layer off or freeze is managed. But
rather is that "layers that are off will plot?" and why is the "user arrow behaving not like a block??" When it is a block. For blocks with the layer off (not freeze) they do not plot.
You can see this from the previous attached test.zip. There nothing showing but when you do a preview or plot its there.
(using Acad2005, haven't seen how ealier versions behave to this teaser)
Hope that clear things up a bit. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stephen4444
Guest
|
| Posted:
Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:59 pm Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
Re: blocks from xref
Minor word correction!!
From ACAD help:
"OFF" Makes selected layers invisible and excludes them from plotting.
Is that statement true?
The user arrow is created in layer 0, and changed to layer s-ldrs.
When a drawing contain those user arrows it will plot OK with just the layer off.
But when its blocked then insert into another drawing (not exploded) or xrefed another drawing with the layer 0 or s-ldrs still off. When you do a preview the user arrows shows up untill you froze the layer.
My question is not how layer off or freeze is managed. But
rather is that "layers that are off will plot?" and why is the "user arrow behaving not like a block??" When it is a block. For normal blocks with the layer off (not freeze) they do plot!
You can see this from the previous attached test.zip. There nothing showing but when you do a preview or plot its there.
(using Acad2005, haven't seen how ealier versions behave to this teaser)
Hope that clear things up a bit. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jmcintyre
Guest
|
| Posted:
Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:31 am Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
| It's not just you, but OFF and ON are meant to be a quick visual aid, while FREEZE and THAW are meant for the purpose you describe. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
OLD-CADaver
Guest
|
| Posted:
Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:24 am Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
<<The user arrow is created in layer 0, and changed to layer s-ldrs. >>
What do you mean "changed to alyer s-ldrs"??
Are you sure it was on layer s-ldrs?
If the block was made using layer 0, then the block was inserted on layer "s-ldrs", turning that layer OFF or FREEZING it would have the same effect.
But if the block was created using some other layer, then inserted on layer s-ldrs, turning OFF s-ldrs would have no effect on the visibility of the block. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
stephen4444
Guest
|
| Posted:
Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:14 am Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
Back to my questions again !
Are layers that are off will still plot?
And why is the user arrow not behaving like a block? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
OLD-CADaver
Guest
|
| Posted:
Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:36 am Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
After looking at your test.zip, I'd have to say there's something wrong with your installation. The blocks and layers are NOT acting as they should.
I'm getting a proxy object error for ObjetcDBX from some unnamed VLX app, and that may be the source of this erratic behavior.
To answer you questions:
Objects on layers that are OFF should NOT plot.
The user arrow is not acting like ANY AutoCAD object. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Mike Edmiston
Guest
|
| Posted:
Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:43 am Post subject:
Re: blocks from xref |
|
|
if re-installing the program is too much a hassle, I found that if you
explode the objects then they no longer plot when they are turned off. That
may be undisreable as well |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
|
FAQ
Memberlist
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in