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Paul Caruthers
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:01 am Post subject:
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let's be real about this. Does anyone (other then the engineers) really use
the AIA standard layers??
I've had the pleasure of working with several well know (in the area) timber
framers and construction companies over the past 1/2 dozen years and ALL of
them have used there own layer format. usually not more then 12 or 15 common
sense layer names.....I just don't understand the need to have so many when
when 12 or 15 will do just fine......
Paul Caruthers
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Paul Caruthers
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:
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I also must admit, in the 10 years I've been doing this, I have never worked
for a "Real Arch. firm"
Paul
"Paul Caruthers" <pcaruthers@lamontagnebuilders.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | let's be real about this. Does anyone (other then the engineers) really
use the AIA standard layers??
I've had the pleasure of working with several well know (in the area)
timber framers and construction companies over the past 1/2 dozen years
and ALL of them have used there own layer format. usually not more then 12
or 15 common sense layer names.....I just don't understand the need to
have so many when when 12 or 15 will do just fine......
Paul Caruthers
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Warren Trost
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:05 am Post subject:
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Yes, quite useful when appling layer filters. Just takes a little getting
use to.
"Paul Caruthers" <pcaruthers@lamontagnebuilders.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | let's be real about this. Does anyone (other then the engineers) really
use
the AIA standard layers??
I've had the pleasure of working with several well know (in the area)
timber
framers and construction companies over the past 1/2 dozen years and ALL
of
them have used there own layer format. usually not more then 12 or 15
common
sense layer names.....I just don't understand the need to have so many
when
when 12 or 15 will do just fine......
Paul Caruthers
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Paul Turvill
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:14 am Post subject:
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We don't, and I have yet to see a set of architectural drawings in our part
of the country that does. Those who argue that it's simpler (than *what*,
for heavens sake?) just haven't thought the problem through, IMO. We've
been using a hierarchical layering system since R9, and it still serves us
well today. We have no need for "layer filters," because we can select and
manage whole groups of layers with a couple of simple wildcards.
As you say: a good commonsense naming convention does the job very nicely.
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Gordon Price
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:21 am Post subject:
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"Paul Caruthers" <pcaruthers@lamontagnebuilders.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | let's be real about this. Does anyone (other then the engineers) really
use the AIA standard layers??
I've had the pleasure of working with several well know (in the area)
timber framers and construction companies over the past 1/2 dozen years
and ALL of them have used there own layer format. usually not more then 12
or 15 common sense layer names.....I just don't understand the need to
have so many when when 12 or 15 will do just fine......
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I guess it depends on the kind of work you do. I can't imagine doing a
residential remodel with only 15 layers. In fact, at it's most simple, my
standard ( a variation on the AIA CLG) uses about 25 layers for all new work
'plan' drawings, including ceiling plans, simple electrical and lighting
plans, and roof plans. Site info add more layers, as do structural drawings.
And a remodel slightly more than doubles this, with Existing versions of all
the base layers, and a few Demo layers as well.
One of the main reasons I use so many layers is graphics. I can produce all
sorts of 'drawings' from the same basic data, with lots of control over
lineweight, linetype, freeze/thaw, etc. I think it helps to make drawings
that are easy to read and understand.
But I can see where a 'framing' plan that a construction company produces
would not need more than 15 layers, and I can also see where all those
layers probably could conform to the AIA CLG naming convention, and
everything else is left out. Personal preference at that point, and if you
already have a custom system in place that works, why change. Other than
ease of training new hires, and perhaps fewer questions from consultants,
another issue that builders maybe have less problem with than architects...
Best,
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Dean Saadallah
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Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject:
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Depends on the firm, who they do work for (whether they have to comply with
some kind of national standards) and more.
If you do any kind of big project, state, federal or military work, they all
use one or more forms of layer and setup standards or they lose the
contracts.
But for stand-alone firms that never or rarely interact with others, whose
drawings go from PC to implementation without much collaboration, the
implementation is often a burden.
--
Dean Saadallah
Add-on products for LT
http://www.pendean.com/lt
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teiarch
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Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject:
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If I may throw in my 2 cents worth about layer standards.
I've used my own, other offices' and AIA standards (after a fashion).
The one thing that works well in any layering system is using the discipline designator (A, C, M, P and E mainly) to steer users to a particular group. Downstream from that, people get into heated discussions.
Some want to put certain things on "A-Plan" while others insist they be on "A-Flor". Doesn't matter so much as using the designators so that eveyone has some indication of what belongs to whom.
The other concept that AIA puts forth is keeping names short (4 characters) which I find very convenient and easy for most to understand. |
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