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paul
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"Black Dragon" <bd@thedragons.lair> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Mike Left Santa Cruz wrote:
the whole shop thing .. I'm am returning to a simple life like the
indians.... fishing, fucking, hunting..
sitting around the camp fire smoking peyote..
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Gee, that's funny, I always ate it. Maybe that's why it made me PUKE!!
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paul
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Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:35 pm Post subject:
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"Black Dragon" <bd@thedragons.lair> wrote in message
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| Quote: | paul wrote:
"Black Dragon" <bd@thedragons.lair> wrote in message
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Mike Left Santa Cruz wrote:
the whole shop thing .. I'm am returning to a simple life like the
indians.... fishing, fucking, hunting..
sitting around the camp fire smoking peyote..
Gee, that's funny, I always ate it. Maybe that's why it made me PUKE!!
That's a metaphor by the way...
And you can avoid that nausea, and bitterness, by doing a rectal infusion.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/peyote/peyote_cactus_guide.shtml#SEC5
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Black Dragon
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Seems to me that wopuld take all the fun out of it! Maybe I just need a
"purer heart"! <G>
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Guido
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 12:46 am Post subject:
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Mike Left Santa Cruz wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:03:30 +0000, Guido <reuters@no-spam.net> wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:
http://www.upfrontezine.com/current.htm
Sounds like a great step forward.
I dont' know all the implications.. but I asked a guy from Israel how
the quick split worked so fast in Cimatron IT.. he told me the surface
information was changed into VRML.....
What does that actually mean?
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Buzzword for Triangles mate.
http://www1.idc.ac.il/ICGF/pages/Meetings/11-Dec-98.html
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Cliff
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:22 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 19:46:05 +0000, Guido <reuters@no-spam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Left Santa Cruz wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:03:30 +0000, Guido <reuters@no-spam.net> wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:
http://www.upfrontezine.com/current.htm
Sounds like a great step forward.
I dont' know all the implications.. but I asked a guy from Israel how
the quick split worked so fast in Cimatron IT.. he told me the surface
information was changed into VRML.....
What does that actually mean?
Buzzword for Triangles mate.
http://www1.idc.ac.il/ICGF/pages/Meetings/11-Dec-98.html
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"with equivalent loss" <G>.
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jon_banquer
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:19 am Post subject:
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Mike Left Santa Cruz wrote:
| Quote: | On 6 Jan 2005 21:09:10 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com
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Mike Left Santa Cruz wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:03:30 +0000, Guido <reuters@no-spam.net
wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:
http://www.upfrontezine.com/current.htm
Sounds like a great step forward.
I dont' know all the implications.. but I asked a guy from Israel
how
the quick split worked so fast in Cimatron IT.. he told me the
surface
information was changed into VRML.....
What does that actually mean?
Mike
I'll take a stab at this, Mike:
I think that Cimatron puts the surface information into a language
(VRML) while your working with quick split so that when you need to
do
the split all the pertinent info is already there and structured to
be
solved quickly. I guessing that this eliminates the need to do the
complex surface math calculations that take a lot of time to solve.
Perhaps this is similar to how surfaces are / were tessalated so
that
the toolpath could /can be calculated quicker ?
Are you using Cimatron E now ?
jon
No.. I am using Cimatron IT I believe I have Elite keys last year I
was in maintenance... but didnt' want to learn all the new bugs and
work around... I stopped the maintenance couple of years ago... I
have
had the keys from V9 for post processor creation.. and have about 15
posts for machines I was programming for until about five years
ago...
everybody has their won systems now.. Last post I developed was for
an old horizontal...
. The maintenance was too expensive for the improvments... truth is
most are still playing catch up.. I use Ashlar Cobalt for modeling
and
mold design.. then dump it into Cimatron for machining, electrodes,
etc... the last three years I have mostly been involved in
developing
new products.. so only built about 15 molds.. I'm am building my last
9 mold for a new product next month.. and then closing down my shop
and selling off everything.. much cheaper and faster to pay other
shops for machining and have mold built in Taiwan and China...
getting ready to go to China for two 3-6 month projects... then
coming back and settling into Bozeman Monatana and never work in a
shop again... Also have a customer in Taiwan I need to be close
too. for the next year.
For new product developement.. it is much cheaper to use quickparts
and protomold etc for tooling and test parts...
All this CAD/CAM stuff give me a headache... and I am burned out with
the whole shop thing .. I'm am returning to a simple life like the
indians.... fishing, fucking, hunting.. last few years was too busy
ro fish.. to tired to fuck.. and no where to hunt... :)
Mike
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Mike,
Can I ask what kinds of products you are designing and selling ? I know
about the toolsetter. Sounds like you have a lot more irons in the
fire.
Machining in todays negative atmosphere can really take it's toll.
Probably going to get worse before it gets better. Hope you enjoy the
break and of course I hope you return... for selfish reasons. :>)
I wish I had more contact with Cimatron. Just as I left Connecticut
Cimatron was making a comeback and I think had set up base in Lowell,
Mass. I really liked the Israeli guy that was managing / selling
Cimatrom. Cimatron and DelCAM definitly are CAD/CAM inovators.
Did you ever get a chance to see DelCAM PowerMill ? Lots and lots of
good ideas in PowerMill. Amazing product in many ways. Unparalled ease
of use and power for 3 axis toolpath and probably now 5 axis toolpath.
Have not seen it in a few years.
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jon_banquer
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
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Black Dragon wrote:
| Quote: | jon_banquer wrote:
Exactly how are the big companies losing money because of iges?
Most larger companies have a multitude of CAD/CAM systems. IGES has
no
provision for moving feature based models between various CAD/CAM
systems.
Nor does, STEP, Parasolid, or SAT. Who uses IGES anymore anyway?
Certainly not any of the big companies we work with, Ford, Chrysler,
GM,
Honda, etc. The only time I see IGES files is when they come out of
dank
little 3 man shit holes. (Hi Sam <g>)
What ends up happening is they have to rebuild the model from a
dumb
IGES model to a smart feature based one. This costs them a ton of
money.
If you're importing data into a hybrid modeler (such as VX <g>),
features
and history are totally irrelevant.
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One of the cool things (to me anyway) about VX and thinkID is that you
can add history to a dumb model and make it smart without rebuilding
the model.
Not sure if SaladWorks ( :>) ) allows this to be done now... probably
not.
How soon before you start working with Cimatron ?
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Mike Left Santa Cruz
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:13 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 03:24:26 -0500 (EST), Black Dragon
<bd@thedragons.lair> wrote:
| Quote: | Mike Left Santa Cruz wrote:
the whole shop thing .. I'm am returning to a simple life like the
indians.... fishing, fucking, hunting..
sitting around the camp fire smoking peyote..
--
Black Dragon
http://www.nice-tits.org/pics.html
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With a side of chilled mushroom...
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Black Dragon
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Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject:
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jon_banquer wrote:
| Quote: | Black Dragon wrote:
jon_banquer wrote:
Exactly how are the big companies losing money because of iges?
Most larger companies have a multitude of CAD/CAM systems. IGES has
no
provision for moving feature based models between various CAD/CAM
systems.
Nor does, STEP, Parasolid, or SAT. Who uses IGES anymore anyway?
Certainly not any of the big companies we work with, Ford, Chrysler,
GM,
Honda, etc. The only time I see IGES files is when they come out of
dank
little 3 man shit holes. (Hi Sam <g>)
What ends up happening is they have to rebuild the model from a
dumb
IGES model to a smart feature based one. This costs them a ton of
money.
If you're importing data into a hybrid modeler (such as VX <g>),
features
and history are totally irrelevant.
One of the cool things (to me anyway) about VX and thinkID is that you
can add history to a dumb model and make it smart without rebuilding
the model.
Not sure if SaladWorks ( :>) ) allows this to be done now... probably
not.
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FeatureWorks. <snicker>
| Quote: | How soon before you start working with Cimatron ?
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That depends on a couple things. How soon will I finish scrounging up
enough hardware to build a computer it will run on decently so I can
spend some time self teaching myself here at home? And how soon before I
get off second shift to work days so I have access to the people that know
it already? We're also real busy, and trying to learn new software when
working on a dozen or so hot jobs at the same time would be pretty stupid.
So, what I'm really saying is, I don't know. :-)
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jon_banquer
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Sun Jan 09, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | FeatureWorks. <snicker
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Doesn't seem to fit the Swiss Army approach that both of us seem to
agree is needed.
jon |
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