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Cliff
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:50:20 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Quote:

Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:13:57 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:

Please ask jb why he did not take any such offered job
and who it was with.

Cliff:

Why don't you ask him yourself, he's YOUR obsession, not mine.

I'm not the endlessly confused clueless buzzword king, telling
endless whoppers, often implied <G>.

Got bellybutton lint again? Learning much from it?

Just trying to keep you honest, Cliff ol' buddy. Sure wouldn't want
you to get in the habit of fabricating facts not in evidence.

Facts are clear.

Cliff:

Not this one of yours obviously.

Go fetch poor clueless buzzword king to make some more silly
claims <G>.

Quote:

Wishes aren't facts no matter how
hard you'd like them to be.

Then perhaps you should stop wishing for more lint.
Just enjoy your belly-button as is and consider: Not all
people have one <G>.

Quote:

You should have prefaced your comment with
an "I suspect", or an "I believe", or some such.

Nope.
"Job offers" are predicated on the prospective employee actually
having clues. A few minutes of actual real-time interaction would
clearly demonstrate that jb is totally lacking in anything but lies,
BS & hype.

Even if we did enjoy his post on how to lie to, distract & BS a
prospective employer of some time back <G>.

Quote:

Do you know all of them?

You sure don't,

And you do? LOL ... been sniffing lint again?

Quote:

and you'd HAVE to for your claim of Jon never getting a
job offer to be truthful.

Nope.

I also know that he's never been offered a job as an admiral,
a translator of Chinese to Sanskrit, a designer, an engineer,
a mathematician, etc.

I do NOT know about the door to door custom-fitted rubber undie
sales position for sure though. Do you think that he's really
qualified?

Quote:

Did you read J.R.Carroll's post?

Yep. Did you miss the part about it not being an actual job offer?
I'm betting that John's a much happier camper <G>.
--
Cliff

Cliff
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:04:56 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Quote:

"Robin S." wrote:

By Jon not taking the job, it shows that while he may have quite a bark,
there doesn't seem to be any bite to back it up.

Robin:

There could be MANY reasons someone doesn't take a job. Location,
health reasons, girlfriend won't move, etc. etc.

Being called on his endless clueless idiot lies counts <G>.

HINT: If unwilling to take a job IF offered, why apply?
HINT: There is never a job offer unless pay is agreed to.
--
Cliff

Cliff
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:04:56 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Quote:

There hasn't been much discussion of CAD/CAM issues since he left

There was little before that was not jb's clueless BS.
I don't recall anyone going much wanting during his vacation
(meds in the happy room?)

Quote:

and
the few posts he's made recently have initiated some interest in
discussing those issues again.

Nope. Just a few confused folks trying to explain things to
poor clueless yet again. They should know better by now.
Basic facts ....

Look at comp.cad.solidworks as just one example.
A newsgroup FOR support on *only* one *CAD* system.
They KNOW how to use it for the most part too. They
support each other.

All those years of posts on one subject ... and the clueless idiot
barges in & tells them that they are wrong, that he knows better.

But simple planar trig confuses him ..... he needs cheat sheets
from his employer with colored diagrams to find right triangles ....
and probably look-up tables for cases of 30, 60 & 45 (fairly common)
degrees ......
--
Cliff

BottleBob
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

Cliff wrote:

Quote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:50:20 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:

Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:13:57 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:

Please ask jb why he did not take any such offered job
and who it was with.

Cliff:

Why don't you ask him yourself, he's YOUR obsession, not mine.

I'm not the endlessly confused clueless buzzword king, telling
endless whoppers, often implied <G>.

Got bellybutton lint again? Learning much from it?

Just trying to keep you honest, Cliff ol' buddy. Sure wouldn't want
you to get in the habit of fabricating facts not in evidence.

Facts are clear.

Cliff:

Not this one of yours obviously.

Go fetch poor clueless buzzword king to make some more silly
claims <G>.

Cliff:

Non responsive.

Quote:

Wishes aren't facts no matter how
hard you'd like them to be.

Then perhaps you should stop wishing for more lint.
Just enjoy your belly-button as is and consider: Not all
people have one <G>.

Non responsive. LOL Admit it, you got outed for posting your
speculations as if they were fact. All the Cliffasion in the world
isn't going to change that fact.

Quote:

You don't KNOW that either. You're compounding your original faux pas
with yet ANOTHER proclamation of what Jon is lacking without the
slightest bit of factual evidence to back it up. Man, you're digging
yourself in deeper and deeper.

Quote:

And you do? LOL ... been sniffing lint again?

I'm not saying I do, I'm just saying YOU DON'T. It's all imagination
and pure conjecture on your part.

Quote:

and you'd HAVE to for your claim of Jon never getting a
job offer to be truthful.

Nope.

Yep!

Quote:

I also know that he's never been offered a job as an admiral,
a translator of Chinese to Sanskrit, a designer, an engineer,
a mathematician, etc.

Admiral? Translator? Engineer? Mathematician? Those would border on
the infinitesimal.
Designer? Hell anyone can be a designer. But he could very well be
offered a job in tech support, as a salesman, or any number of other
positions. Personally, I think he'd make a good salesman, he could put
his natural talents to work.

Quote:

I do NOT know about the door to door custom-fitted rubber undie
sales position for sure though. Do you think that he's really
qualified?

This is the sort of response that makes you appear more than a little
out of phase with reality.

Quote:

Did you read J.R.Carroll's post?

Yep. Did you miss the part about it not being an actual job offer?

Did you miss the part about Jon saying no right off, so an actual job
offer was never realized, but might have been if he had said yes?
But whatever, it blows your intentionally fabricated deceit right out
of the water. IMO, this obsession is doing YOU more harm than you care
to admit, or even realize.

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

jon_banquer
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

Quote:

Robin:

There could be MANY reasons someone doesn't take a job. Location,
health reasons, girlfriend won't move, etc. etc. I doubt if Jon
would
take a job with Gibbs, but hey I might be wrong. <g

Bob,

Thanks for bringing up bad memories. :>)

At one point, many years ago, Bill Gibbs did offer me a job ! In
addition, the Gibbs VAR who serviced Connecticut at the time was Dan
Palone. Palone tried to get me to go to work for him. Shouldn't be to
hard if you have the interest to get in touch with Palone. I believe
he's in New Jersey. I think his company was called Danotec. Dan Palone
certainly doesn't like me but I doubt he would lie about this. I will
give Palone credit for being honest about the lack of Geometry creation
in Gibbs. Palone sold Ashlar's Vellum at the time and was very candid
about Gibbs limitations in this regard. Many of Palone's accounts were
sold Vellum and Gibbs. I always thought this was a very good move.

There were several reasons I didn't take John Carroll's offer:

1. At the time I did not feel I could properly relate to moldmakers as
I did not feel I had enough moldmaking experience although John did not
seem to think it would take me long to acclimate.

2. I didn't like the people at the company who made the software John
was representing at the time.

3. I like machining. :>)

4. John Carroll and I see the world very, very differently.

Now if Bill Roberto wanted to start or take over a job shop... :>)

jon

Quote:

Naturally, I cannot comment on Jon's technical ability as I have
never seen
him work, never personally conversed with him in any meaningful
manner, and
I stay away from his vicious ramblings as I find his social
behaviour on
this group entirely appauling.

He's abrasive all right, but the sharpness of his porcupine quills
have
blunted to some degree over the years. In fact at this point in time
I
think Jon would be a better asset to the group than his main
detractor.
There hasn't been much discussion of CAD/CAM issues since he left and
the few posts he's made recently have initiated some interest in
discussing those issues again.

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

BottleBob
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

jon_banquer wrote:

Quote:

Robin:

There could be MANY reasons someone doesn't take a job. Location,
health reasons, girlfriend won't move, etc. etc. I doubt if Jon
would
take a job with Gibbs, but hey I might be wrong. <g

Bob,

Thanks for bringing up bad memories. :>)

At one point, many years ago, Bill Gibbs did offer me a job ! In
addition, the Gibbs VAR who serviced Connecticut at the time was Dan
Palone. Palone tried to get me to go to work for him. Shouldn't be to
hard if you have the interest to get in touch with Palone. I believe
he's in New Jersey. I think his company was called Danotec. Dan Palone
certainly doesn't like me but I doubt he would lie about this. I will
give Palone credit for being honest about the lack of Geometry creation
in Gibbs.

Cliff:

Well there you go Cliff. Just give Dan Palone a call to verify this.

After verifying Jon's claim, might we expect a retraction to be
forthcoming? LMAO!

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

Bill Roberto
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

"jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1105151147.092320.233230@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Quote:

Now if Bill Roberto wanted to start or take over a job shop... :>)

jon

Thanks for the compliment, but I am passed that phase of my career. It is a
lot more fun getting lots of jobs shops out of trouble without having to be
imprisoned in one. I had an opportunity to take over a shop a while back. It
seemed like a good idea at the time. It wasn't until my first trial month
that I stared into the abyss and saw why they were so anxious to give it
away. I got out without a scratch, a new appreciation for the business I
have, and an education.

jon_banquer
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

BottleBob wrote:

Quote:

jon_banquer wrote:

Robin:

There could be MANY reasons someone doesn't take a job.
Location,
health reasons, girlfriend won't move, etc. etc. I doubt if Jon
would
take a job with Gibbs, but hey I might be wrong. <g

Bob,

Thanks for bringing up bad memories. :>)

At one point, many years ago, Bill Gibbs did offer me a job ! In
addition, the Gibbs VAR who serviced Connecticut at the time was
Dan
Palone. Palone tried to get me to go to work for him. Shouldn't be
to
hard if you have the interest to get in touch with Palone. I
believe
he's in New Jersey. I think his company was called Danotec. Dan
Palone
certainly doesn't like me but I doubt he would lie about this. I
will
give Palone credit for being honest about the lack of Geometry
creation
in Gibbs.

Cliff:

Well there you go Cliff. Just give Dan Palone a call to verify
this.

After verifying Jon's claim, might we expect a retraction to be
forthcoming? LMAO!

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

Bob,

I'd much rather *you* called him.

Who know's what Palone might say when he gets a call from you know
who.... probably anything just to get off the phone.

jon

BottleBob
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

jon_banquer wrote:

Quote:

BottleBob wrote:

Cliff:

Well there you go Cliff. Just give Dan Palone a call to verify
this.

After verifying Jon's claim, might we expect a retraction to be
forthcoming? LMAO!

Bob,

I'd much rather *you* called him.

Who know's what Palone might say when he gets a call from you know
who.... probably anything just to get off the phone.

Jon:

I doubt if Cliff will call, but if he does and says Dan doesn't verify
the job offer, then I could call to verify his non-verification. How's
that?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

jon_banquer
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

BottleBob wrote:

Quote:

jon_banquer wrote:

BottleBob wrote:

Cliff:

Well there you go Cliff. Just give Dan Palone a call to
verify
this.

After verifying Jon's claim, might we expect a retraction
to be
forthcoming? LMAO!

Bob,

I'd much rather *you* called him.

Who know's what Palone might say when he gets a call from you know
who.... probably anything just to get off the phone.

Jon:

I doubt if Cliff will call, but if he does and says Dan doesn't
verify
the job offer, then I could call to verify his non-verification.
How's
that?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

Greatly appreciated, Bob. Thank you.

If you do call please tell Dan you use Gibbs and love it. :>)
LOL

jon

Cliff
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:20:11 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Quote:

Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 22:50:20 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:

Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:13:57 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:

Please ask jb why he did not take any such offered job
and who it was with.

Cliff:

Why don't you ask him yourself, he's YOUR obsession, not mine.

I'm not the endlessly confused clueless buzzword king, telling
endless whoppers, often implied <G>.

Got bellybutton lint again? Learning much from it?

Just trying to keep you honest, Cliff ol' buddy. Sure wouldn't want
you to get in the habit of fabricating facts not in evidence.

Facts are clear.

Cliff:

Not this one of yours obviously.

Go fetch poor clueless buzzword king to make some more silly
claims <G>.

Cliff:

Non responsive.

I'm not the one trying to defend a lack of clues justifying
endless buzzwords & ads <G>. Or the lies, both explicit
and implied. Or the reading comprehension disabilities.

Quote:

Wishes aren't facts no matter how
hard you'd like them to be.

Then perhaps you should stop wishing for more lint.
Just enjoy your belly-button as is and consider: Not all
people have one <G>.

Non responsive. LOL Admit it, you got outed for posting your
speculations as if they were fact. All the Cliffasion in the world
isn't going to change that fact.

In lintland there can be no "facts", right?
You can always just speculate them away .....

Suggested reading (again):

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/index.htm

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/sn-python.html

Quote:

You should have prefaced your comment with
an "I suspect", or an "I believe", or some such.

Nope.
"Job offers" are predicated on the prospective employee actually
having clues. A few minutes of actual real-time interaction would
clearly demonstrate that jb is totally lacking in anything but lies,
BS & hype.

You don't KNOW that either. You're compounding your original faux pas
with yet ANOTHER proclamation of what Jon is lacking without the
slightest bit of factual evidence to back it up. Man, you're digging
yourself in deeper and deeper.

So it's "Admiral Broomboy" these days is it?
After all, you cannot provide foorp that it's not .....

Quote:

And you do? LOL ... been sniffing lint again?

I'm not saying I do,

But you are not saying that you are not so it must be true, right?

Quote:

I'm just saying YOU DON'T.

Would probably make me sneeze.
Then there are health issues. After all, I have
no idea where *your* lint has been, now do I?

Quote:

It's all imagination
and pure conjecture on your part.

But, per the BB Theory Of Everything (see above)
YOU have no foorp otherwise so it must be true.

Nor do you have any foorp of "pure conjecture".

Now, take poor jb as a "CAD Expert" or "THE god of CAD/CAM" ..
(if you don't get nauseated at the thought alone) .... how much
imagination does that one take?

Feeling a bit nauseated again?

Quote:

and you'd HAVE to for your claim of Jon never getting a
job offer to be truthful.

Nope.

Yep!

How about making him a four star general then?

Quote:

I also know that he's never been offered a job as an admiral,
a translator of Chinese to Sanskrit, a designer, an engineer,
a mathematician, etc.

Admiral? Translator? Engineer? Mathematician? Those would border on
the infinitesimal.

But, per your guesses, you don't know so hence he must be at
least three of them ......

Quote:

Designer? Hell anyone can be a designer.

Nope. Not in this context.
Are you now claiming "graphic designer"?

He does add odd combinations of characters to ASCII posts ....

Quote:

But he could very well be
offered a job in tech support,

Pushing a broom.

Quote:

as a salesman,

Telling lies for 3dinkies?

Quote:

or any number of other positions.

Some of which might well strain the anatomy of a "normal"
person.

Quote:

Personally, I think he'd make a good salesman, he could put
his natural talents to work.

Back to the rubber undies again are we?

Quote:

I do NOT know about the door to door custom-fitted rubber undie
sales position for sure though. Do you think that he's really
qualified?

This is the sort of response that makes you appear more than a little
out of phase with reality.

But YOU just claimed he'd be good at sales <G>.

Only if not questioned about the product or service you say?

Quote:

Did you read J.R.Carroll's post?

Yep. Did you miss the part about it not being an actual job offer?

Did you miss the part about Jon saying no right off, so an actual job
offer was never realized, but might have been if he had said yes?

He'd have had to demonstrate actual clues.
There was no way that he could do that.
See the problem?

Quote:

But whatever, it blows your intentionally fabricated deceit right out
of the water.

You just posted that no actual job offer actually existed <G>.

Quote:

IMO, this obsession is doing YOU more harm than you care
to admit, or even realize.

Feel free to hire him yourself to do sales <VBG>.
Think that you could sell his services to your shop?
Would you trust him or any of his pretended claims?

Would your shop's owner & employees be happy campers?
(Only because they became unemployed, probably, and homeless ...)

LOL ...
--
Cliff

Cliff
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:42:35 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Quote:

jon_banquer wrote:

Robin:

There could be MANY reasons someone doesn't take a job. Location,
health reasons, girlfriend won't move, etc. etc. I doubt if Jon
would
take a job with Gibbs, but hey I might be wrong. <g

Bob,

Thanks for bringing up bad memories. :>)

At one point, many years ago, Bill Gibbs did offer me a job ! In
addition, the Gibbs VAR who serviced Connecticut at the time was Dan
Palone. Palone tried to get me to go to work for him. Shouldn't be to
hard if you have the interest to get in touch with Palone. I believe
he's in New Jersey. I think his company was called Danotec. Dan Palone
certainly doesn't like me but I doubt he would lie about this. I will
give Palone credit for being honest about the lack of Geometry creation
in Gibbs.

Cliff:

Well there you go Cliff. Just give Dan Palone a call to verify this.

That he does not like jb? And would never have offered someone so
clueless a job?

Quote:

After verifying Jon's claim, might we expect a retraction to be
forthcoming? LMAO!

Jb's claim that he knows almost nothing about GibbsCAM?

Did anyone ever point out to poor jb that GibbbsCAM is a CAM system,
not a CAD or CAD/CAM system?
Seems like he had no clues again <G>.

BTW, How long ago was this BS?
--
Cliff

Black Dragon
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

Steve Mackay wrote:

Quote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 12:05:08 -0500, Black Dragon wrote:

Cliff wrote:

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:52:15 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:

Cliff wrote:

You could find out that jb is a blatent liar...

And that none of them ever offered him a job, per
his claims (after all, he'd actually need to know
at least something).

Cliff:

How could you possibly KNOW that "NONE of them ever offered him a
job"? Are you privy to ALL the job offers that Jon may possibly have
gotten? Do you know all the people and companies that "may" have
offered him a job, and know for a fact that they didn't? IF NOT, then
what you have claimed above is simply a fabrication on your part.

You're letting your obsession cloud your judgment here.

Perhaps you are correct, BottleBob.
ONE of them may have had need of a sweeper for their offices,
once long ago.

Please ask jb why he did not take any such offered job
and who it was with.

Got bellybutton lint again? Learning much from it?

Ommmmm .... Ommmmmm .....

This witch hunt of yours is getting old real fucking quick.

Time for a time out.

*PLONK*

Expires in 30 days.

Cya' then.

You honestly think 'ole Cliffy is gonna stop his leg humping in 30 days?

Nope. But in 30 days I /might/ find Jon's fan club somewhat entertaining.
Right now, it's incredibly annoying.

--
Black Dragon

http://www.nice-tits.org/pics.html

BottleBob
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

Cliff wrote:

Quote:

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 02:42:35 GMT, BottleBob <bottlbob@earthlink.net
wrote:

Cliff:

Well there you go Cliff. Just give Dan Palone a call to verify this.

That he does not like jb? And would never have offered someone so
clueless a job?

Cliff:

Cliffasions and misdirections aren't going to work for this time. The
question IS: Did you post as FACT your conjecture that Jon never
received ANY job offers from CAD/CAM companies?
Calling Dan Palone can verify that your comments were false and simply
your latest attempt at the character assassination of Jon.

If you are playing fast and loose with the truth in THIS instance, how
can any of your other comments about Jon be trusted to be factual or
true?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

BottleBob
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Joe Greco's last CAD article

Cliff wrote:

Quote:

I'm not the one trying to defend a lack of clues justifying
endless buzzwords & ads <G>. Or the lies, both explicit
and implied. Or the reading comprehension disabilities.

Cliff:

I'm in no way defending what Jon has said or done. I'm attacking
deceptive character assassination tactics where fabrications are
presented as truth.

The rest of your post is just your normal evasion/misdirection nonsense
and not worth repeating.

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

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