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pete
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jon_banquer
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:49 am Post subject:
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pete wrote:
Does really say much about VX. According to the article VX had a
problem importing a single IGES file. Very little factual info besides
this is given about VX.
Your post makes me wonder if you have had any experience importing IGES
files into VX and if you have compared the IGES import in VX to
SolidWorks ?
In any case it's good to see more posts in regards to VX. Hopefully we
will see many, many more. :>)
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pete
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:50 am Post subject:
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If you had read the whole article, it ends with them selecting ProE over
solidworks, because, ProE dropped their very high prices to get the deal.
So it was not a really stab at VX, even though it did fail, just some more
info for the wary among us.
I would just add that if VX had better marketing. I would have given it a
trail run, as I did with ProE, Inventor, solidedge, solidworks and Autocad
when I wanted to buy a 3D package, but I have never heard of it until now.
Maybe it's limited to the USA??
I gave to the reps of the above, 1 sheet metal panel, 1 electrical
terminal, 1 engineered part with a d/cut thread, 1 formed component, 1 piece
of pipework with a check valve and a solenoid.
ProE and solidworks were the only ones to be able to complete ALL of the
tasks with parts, assemblies and drawings in a time, suitable to operate in
our environment, plus the added bonus of edrawings, a great help for our
customers to select a correct replacement part. If you can arrange for a
trial version of VX to be sent to me, I will return with an honest opinion,
as most people on this forum will tell you. If something is bad or good, I
say so.
Solidworks won because of the huge price difference and speed of completion.
Also because of the great help offered here, by some very skilled peeps. :-)
"jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | pete wrote:
Sorry, but I could not help to point you in this direction, after
reading
the post about VX, maybe this link might help those into molding.
http://www.cadserver.co.uk/common/viewer/archive/2002/Nov/12/feature6.phtm
Does really say much about VX. According to the article VX had a
problem importing a single IGES file. Very little factual info besides
this is given about VX.
Your post makes me wonder if you have had any experience importing IGES
files into VX and if you have compared the IGES import in VX to
SolidWorks ?
In any case it's good to see more posts in regards to VX. Hopefully we
will see many, many more. :>)
jon
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Cliff
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject:
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On 1 Jan 2005 19:49:27 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Your post makes me wonder if you have had any experience importing IGES
files into VX
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Well, we all know that you have none.
| Quote: | and if you have compared the IGES import in VX to
SolidWorks ?
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And that you have no clues here either.
Missed the bits that the files came from Mechanical Desktop 3
did you? What would you expect, considering the errors in the
model?
What's an "error", jb?
Have a nice day.
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Cliff
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 12:41 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 04:50:20 -0000, "pete" <petefa@petefa.f2s.com>
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| Quote: | If you had read the whole article, it ends with them selecting ProE over
solidworks, because, ProE dropped their very high prices to get the deal.
So it was not a really stab at VX, even though it did fail, just some more
info for the wary among us.
I would just add that if VX had better marketing. I would have given it a
trail run, as I did with ProE, Inventor, solidedge, solidworks and Autocad
when I wanted to buy a 3D package, but I have never heard of it until now.
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Poor jb's so totally clueless ...
Which of them are actually full CAD/CAM systems?
The guy needs to produce CNC code in the end, among
other things ... or send models to vendors for them to do it ....
Which work with things like Moldflow? Etc.?
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P.
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject:
Re: VX anyone :-P, lol |
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I had a run in with VX salemen about a year ago. They were feeding my
management a load of c..p about SW to try and get the sale. They
stated:
1. SolidWorks couldn't do surfaces/surfacing
2. SolidWorks accuracy was insufficient to do CNC for machining.
3. SolidWorks couldn't deal with point clouds/scanner data.
Of those only one is true or partially true and that is 3. |
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pete
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:33 pm Post subject:
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p
Now you have got me intrigued!
What is a point cloud and what is it used for??
It maybe a term that I have not heard of, referring to something that I do
know, lol
I am British you know, living in good old England, still with gas lamps in
some places, even though we have upgraded to metric, pmsl :-P
I forgot to mention MDT, we tried that also, cough! cough! Lets just say
that I personally, found Turbocad to be better. :-s
Ps:- Turbocad was the first cad program that I had ever used, then Autocad,
and now hmmm,??? oh yes Solidworks, :-)
"P." <kellnerp@cbd.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I had a run in with VX salemen about a year ago. They were feeding my
management a load of c..p about SW to try and get the sale. They
stated:
1. SolidWorks couldn't do surfaces/surfacing
2. SolidWorks accuracy was insufficient to do CNC for machining.
3. SolidWorks couldn't deal with point clouds/scanner data.
Of those only one is true or partially true and that is 3.
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That70sTick
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject:
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To me, it seemed like their benchmark process was over-simplified.
Perhaps this was just four journalistic purposes. |
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Jeff Howard
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | What is a point cloud and what is it used for??
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Usually a set of sample points collected by a scanning / measuring / 3D
digitizing device (Faro Arm, etc.). |
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jon_banquer
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject:
Re: VX anyone :-P, lol |
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pete wrote:
| Quote: | If you had read the whole article, it ends with them selecting ProE
over
solidworks, because, ProE dropped their very high prices to get the
deal.
So it was not a really stab at VX, even though it did fail, just some
more
info for the wary among us.
I would just add that if VX had better marketing. I would have given
it a
trail run, as I did with ProE, Inventor, solidedge, solidworks and
Autocad
when I wanted to buy a 3D package, but I have never heard of it until
now.
Maybe it's limited to the USA??
I gave to the reps of the above, 1 sheet metal panel, 1 electrical
terminal, 1 engineered part with a d/cut thread, 1 formed component,
1 piece
of pipework with a check valve and a solenoid.
ProE and solidworks were the only ones to be able to complete ALL of
the
tasks with parts, assemblies and drawings in a time, suitable to
operate in
our environment, plus the added bonus of edrawings, a great help for
our
customers to select a correct replacement part. If you can arrange
for a
trial version of VX to be sent to me, I will return with an honest
opinion,
as most people on this forum will tell you. If something is bad or
good, I
say so.
Solidworks won because of the huge price difference and speed of
completion.
Also because of the great help offered here, by some very skilled
peeps. :-)
"jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104637767.117205.149370@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
pete wrote:
Sorry, but I could not help to point you in this direction, after
reading
the post about VX, maybe this link might help those into molding.
http://www.cadserver.co.uk/common/viewer/archive/2002/Nov/12/feature6.phtm
Does really say much about VX. According to the article VX had a
problem importing a single IGES file. Very little factual info
besides
this is given about VX.
Your post makes me wonder if you have had any experience importing
IGES
files into VX and if you have compared the IGES import in VX to
SolidWorks ?
In any case it's good to see more posts in regards to VX. Hopefully
we
will see many, many more. :>)
jon
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1. I read the whole article and came away less than impressed.
2. In the tests I ran with VX Vision (now just called VX) it far
exceeded SolidWorks in IGES import capabilities and ease of repair.
3. You claim that VX is not good at marketing was and is to an extent
still true.
Are you aware that this is the case because Varimetrix now VX never
really had to market Vision (now just called VX) because it was
developed for Samsung. It takes time to build a worldwide first class
VAR network. IMO VX has made a good start and is having decent success
with doing so. Is their VAR network anywhere near as good as
SolidWorks.... No. Is the technology in VX far superior in many was to
SolidWorks....Yes.
4. In the last 2 years VX has gotten much better at marketing and has
hired former top people from NCCS and Webber Systems.
5. There was zero discussion of CAM in this article and how SolidWorks
did in that regard. In the area I'm involved most in, machining is
important. :>) See alt.machines.cnc
6. I don't sell and have never sold any CAD/CAM system. If you want
more info, etc. you will have to contact VX yourself.... my purpose
here is to see that better alternatives to SolidWorks get discussed. VX
is just one of those alternatives.
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jon_banquer
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:27 pm Post subject:
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P. wrote:
| Quote: | I had a run in with VX salemen about a year ago. They were feeding my
management a load of c..p about SW to try and get the sale. They
stated:
1. SolidWorks couldn't do surfaces/surfacing
2. SolidWorks accuracy was insufficient to do CNC for machining.
3. SolidWorks couldn't deal with point clouds/scanner data.
Of those only one is true or partially true and that is 3.
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Number 1: The surfacing tools in SolidWorks don't come close to
comparing with the ease of use / seamlessness that VX has. SolidWorks
surfacing tools would be the equivelent of using a file to get a block
square where VX would be a integrated mill / turn machine. Can you get
the job done with a file and enough time vs an integrated mill / turn
machine... yes you can if you have enough time and skill. Is the file
the way to go... nope.
Number 2: Is false.
Number 3: VX blows SolidWorks away and offers included tools that one
does not get with SolidWorks. One has to buy a third party package for
SolidWorks to deal with point clouds / scanner data.
Number 4: (You missed number 4 :>) )VX has does not need a third party
add-in for CAM.
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jon_banquer
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject:
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That70sTick wrote:
| Quote: | To me, it seemed like their benchmark process was over-simplified.
Perhaps this was just four journalistic purposes.
Over-simplified to the point of being useless. |
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Cliff
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject:
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On 2 Jan 2005 07:16:57 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | 1. I read the whole article and came away less than impressed.
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<snicker>
| Quote: | 2. In the tests I ran with VX Vision (now just called VX) it far
exceeded SolidWorks in IGES import capabilities and ease of repair.
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They sent you a free canned demo some years ago?
LOL ....
You don't use it & never have.
Even 2D CAM programming gives you a headache. Just thinking
about it.
But some of your posts are pretty funny <G>.
| Quote: | 3. You claim that VX is not good at marketing was and is to an extent
still true.
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He's where? In the UK?
| Quote: | Are you aware that this is the case because Varimetrix now VX never
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Make up your "mind".
| Quote: | really had to market Vision (now just called VX)
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Still confused?
| Quote: | because it was
developed for Samsung.
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Pretty good at PCB design, is it?
Manuals in Japanese or Korean?
| Quote: | It takes time to build a worldwide first class
VAR network.
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They showed you the door? Which end went first?
| Quote: | IMO VX has made a good start and is having decent success
with doing so. Is their VAR network anywhere near as good as
SolidWorks.... No. Is the technology in VX far superior in many was to
SolidWorks....Yes.
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Not a clue .....
| Quote: | 4. In the last 2 years VX has gotten much better at marketing and has
hired former top people from NCCS and Webber Systems.
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Bla, bla, bla ... neither are all that good in their field AFAIK.
And you just did a copy & paste of one of your old posts, right?
| Quote: | 5. There was zero discussion of CAM in this article and how SolidWorks
did in that regard. In the area I'm involved most in, machining is
important. :>) See alt.machines.cnc
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Where you claim to be an expert & instructor in the use of SW?
But are well known to be an idiot?
| Quote: | 6. I don't sell and have never sold any CAD/CAM system.
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In fact, you have been repeatedly told by various firms never to
mention their name again, right? And quite blatently lied about
them offering you jobs ....
| Quote: | If you want
more info, etc. you will have to contact VX yourself....
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As you have no clues.
| Quote: | my purpose
here is to see that better alternatives to SolidWorks get discussed. VX
is just one of those alternatives.
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So is your idiocy.
And probably http://www.geocities.com/banquercadcam/beaver.html <G>.
HTH
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Cliff
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
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On 2 Jan 2005 07:27:03 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Number 3: VX blows SolidWorks away and offers included tools that one
does not get with SolidWorks. One has to buy a third party package for
SolidWorks to deal with point clouds / scanner data.
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And VX ...? No third party software avalable at all?
LOL ...
| Quote: | Number 4: (You missed number 4 :>) )VX has does not need a third party
add-in for CAM.
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He's getting free clues from somewhere .... LOL ..... <G>.
Why is it known as a CAM package?
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Cliff
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Sun Jan 02, 2005 9:47 pm Post subject:
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On 2 Jan 2005 07:30:09 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Over-simplified to the point of being useless.
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Over-simplified to the point of being useless.
After you just used it? LOL .....
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