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P.
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 2:56 am Post subject:
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So what is your point Jon?
The salesmen didn't say VX had better surfacing which it probably does from
what I have seen. They said SW didn't have ANY surfacing and that was a
flat out, categorical lie. When salesmen have to lie to keep from having
their product compared to another it tells you something about the company
and its product.
As far as your #4 goes it really didn't matter because in that case the
company didn't have a CNC machine capable of anything more than what BOBCAD
could produce. Fact of the matter was the company didn't buy VX and ended
up trying SW in that application which for them allowed one person to do
the work of three with no retraining. Since they already had SW buying
another package made no sense at all.
The company didn't have a scanner and frankly didn't need one. Somebody just
had big ideas.
jon_banquer wrote:
| Quote: | P. wrote:
I had a run in with VX salemen about a year ago. They were feeding my
management a load of c..p about SW to try and get the sale. They
stated:
1. SolidWorks couldn't do surfaces/surfacing
2. SolidWorks accuracy was insufficient to do CNC for machining.
3. SolidWorks couldn't deal with point clouds/scanner data.
Of those only one is true or partially true and that is 3.
Number 1: The surfacing tools in SolidWorks don't come close to
comparing with the ease of use / seamlessness that VX has. SolidWorks
surfacing tools would be the equivelent of using a file to get a block
square where VX would be a integrated mill / turn machine. Can you get
the job done with a file and enough time vs an integrated mill / turn
machine... yes you can if you have enough time and skill. Is the file
the way to go... nope.
Number 2: Is false.
Number 3: VX blows SolidWorks away and offers included tools that one
does not get with SolidWorks. One has to buy a third party package for
SolidWorks to deal with point clouds / scanner data.
Number 4: (You missed number 4 :>) )VX has does not need a third party
add-in for CAM.
jon
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jon_banquer
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 3:36 am Post subject:
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P. wrote:
| Quote: | So what is your point Jon?
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To correct what was not accurate and provide a broader perspective.
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The salesmen didn't say VX had better surfacing which it probably
does from
what I have seen. They said SW didn't have ANY surfacing and that was
a
flat out, categorical lie. When salesmen have to lie to keep from
having
their product compared to another it tells you something about the
company
and its product.
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IMO it's more like they know their own product but don't really know
the competitors product and what it can or can't do. I have found this
to be the case with almost every AE I have ever met.
| Quote: | As far as your #4 goes it really didn't matter because in that case
the
company didn't have a CNC machine capable of anything more than what
BOBCAD
could produce.
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What kind of CNC machines did they have ? What kind(s)of product did
they produce ? Did they have a product line or were they more job shop
like ? You have not provided enough info.
| Quote: | Fact of the matter was the company didn't buy VX and ended
up trying SW in that application which for them allowed one person to
do
the work of three with no retraining. Since they already had SW
buying
another package made no sense at all.
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I can see cases perhaps like this where VX would not make sense.
| Quote: | The company didn't have a scanner and frankly didn't need one.
Somebody just
had big ideas.
You would rather they had small ideas and thought small ? |
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Cliff
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:01 am Post subject:
Re: VX anyone :-P, lol |
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On 2 Jan 2005 07:30:09 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | That70sTick wrote:
To me, it seemed like their benchmark process was over-simplified.
Perhaps this was just four journalistic purposes.
Over-simplified to the point of being useless.
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Guess it's free clue time again .....
The IGES data was from an AutoCAD part, which uses the
"ACIS" kernel.
It was "bad" data. Corrupt/missing/etc. surface.
The problem was clearly due to a bad model in the first place
in the original AutoCAD source part. A missing surface, bad trim or
something. Perhaps poor modeling practices *were allowed* by
the ACIS kernel or tolerances were too open.
In any case, the problem would have to be resolved *someplace*
to make a part from that 3D model.
Any modeler that "automatically" fixes such errors is suspect.
There is no way it could ever know what the design intent was.
Was a sharp corner intended? A fillet? Some sort of blend surface?
That SW with it's ParaSolid kernel *found the error* is a good
thing. Any modeler that did not is a *bad thing*. This includes
the *original* ACIS modeler that allowed the error(s).
Conclusions:
IGES was not the problem.
SW was not the problem.
Pro-E was not the problem.
ParaSolid was not the problem.
ACIS WAS the problem.
Poor jb is a clueless idiot.
Looked at another way, ACIS & AutoCAD are a bit too
targeted at producing 2D paper drawings as their end product,
probably, instead of valid 3D models with any 2D drawings
as a "simple" byproduct.
But jb remains a clueless idiot <G>.
HTH
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Cliff
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:02 am Post subject:
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On 2 Jan 2005 07:30:09 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | That70sTick wrote:
To me, it seemed like their benchmark process was over-simplified.
Perhaps this was just four journalistic purposes.
Over-simplified to the point of being useless.
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Guess it's free clue time again .....
The IGES data was from an AutoCAD part, which uses the
"ACIS" kernel.
It was "bad" data. Corrupt/missing/etc. surface.
The problem was clearly due to a bad model in the first place
in the original AutoCAD source part. A missing surface, bad trim or
something. Perhaps poor modeling practices *were allowed* by
the ACIS kernel or tolerances were too open.
In any case, the problem would have to be resolved *someplace*
to make a part from that 3D model.
Any modeler that "automatically" fixes such errors is suspect.
There is no way it could ever know what the design intent was.
Was a sharp corner intended? A fillet? Some sort of blend surface?
That SW with it's ParaSolid kernel *found the error* is a good
thing. Any modeler that did not is a *bad thing*. This includes
the *original* ACIS modeler that allowed the error(s).
Conclusions:
IGES was not the problem.
SW was not the problem.
Pro-E was not the problem.
ParaSolid was not the problem.
ACIS WAS the problem.
Poor jb is a clueless idiot.
Looked at another way, ACIS & AutoCAD are a bit too
targeted at producing 2D paper drawings as their end product,
probably, instead of valid 3D models with any 2D drawings
as a "simple" byproduct.
But jb remains a clueless idiot <G>.
HTH
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Cliff
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:05 am Post subject:
Re: VX anyone :-P, lol |
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On 2 Jan 2005 14:36:41 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | P. wrote:
So what is your point Jon?
To correct what was not accurate
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But you had no clues at all.
| Quote: | and provide a broader perspective.
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That of a clueless buzzword king? That has
not and does not use such things and probably never
has?
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Cliff
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:06 am Post subject:
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On 2 Jan 2005 14:36:41 -0800, "jon_banquer" <jon_banquer@yahoo.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | The salesmen didn't say VX had better surfacing which it probably
does from
what I have seen. They said SW didn't have ANY surfacing and that was
a
flat out, categorical lie. When salesmen have to lie to keep from
having
their product compared to another it tells you something about the
company
and its product.
IMO it's more like they know their own product but don't really know
the competitors product and what it can or can't do. I have found this
to be the case with almost every AE I have ever met.
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Tell us about he trade show again, jb.
Pretty please?
Hope your nose is better <G>.
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P.
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Mon Jan 03, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject:
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Jon,
How would you know what was accurate or not in this situation?
I had a chance to question them directly on their statements. They
claimed they knew SW didn't do surfacing. They did not say they didn't
know or weren't familiar.
I have provided all the info I can. You'll just have to trust my
judgement on this.
I would rather they had thought "adequate tool for the job" at the
right cost. As it was VX was guilding the lilly in more ways than one. |
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