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Dennis Barker
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Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:19 am Post subject:
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This is the whole point of Level Symbology overrides. It gives you the power
to change any settings for a level and display AND PRINT them with the
symbology you want, regardless of the symbology of the actual element.
I usually use Level Symbology overrides to create plots of drawings with
colour shading applied. I force the colour of all levels to be 0 to print
Black then reference in a drawing with the coloured shading which has
symbology turned off. Referencing it in lets me ensure that the shading is
plotted below the linework using the update sequence of Reference files.
Quaylar, there is so much to learn in Microstation and it is great that you
are asking questions. But don't limit your thinking to how you did it in
Autocad. You will find some things in MS not as good as Autocad but there
are also many things that are better. But as Dave pointed out earlier, if
there is any possibility that you can upgrade to V8, I would strongly
suggest that your firm considers doing so.
There are also other newsgroups, including specific V7 (MS/J) ones, at
discussion.bentley.com or via your browser at http://discussion.bentley.com/
This is one of the best things about Microstation - there are heaps of
really knowledgeable people, including staff at Bentley, who will take the
time to help you.
Dennis Barker
"quaylar" <cherok@gmx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:21:57 GMT, "Dave
Preston" <dave@davidcpreston.co.uk> wrote:
1. As you have noticed levels can have a
symbology assigned to them. It is
not like AutoCAD where the color, for
example, can be set to bylayer. You
can assign a color, style and weight to a
level and in the View Settings
turn level symbology on. The elements still
have their own attributes but
turning the level symbology on and off
determines whether the element
symbology or level symbology is displayed in
a view. On the face of it, it
sounds good but not many people use it.
Hm - but how will it be printed? There is no
use if a line is viewed with line type 3, if
it is printed in linetype...lets say 5??
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Dennis Barker
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Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:40 am Post subject:
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Quaylar,
If your setting manager is set up correctly, you should not need to set your
active level. The Settings Manager should do that. It will set the active
level and the correct symbology.
Regarding Level Symbology, it is a view based mechanism for changing the
attributes for any or all views. You can also choose to use Level Symbology
when you plot. You must firstly turn on Level Symbology for your view/s from
the View Attributes dialog (press CTRL + B to open this). I don't have MS/J
installed anymore, but from memory, you can setup the symbology for each
level from Settings>Level>Symbology or from Settings>Level>Manager.
Dennis Barker
"quaylar" <cherok@gmx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:44:29 GMT, "Dennis
Barker" <dennis_barkerSOS@VERYhotmail.com
wrote:
Hm - in fact i did investigate the
settings
manager, indeed i already setted the
levels i
use more often to the attributes i want
them
to have. BUT - if i change the active
level it
wont set the attributes automatically. I
use
the Standard (or is it primary) toolbox to
change active level. Whenever i change
level
it wont set the corresponding attributes
and i
have to set them manually. (again and
again an
again...argh)
Thats why i was asking about the sense of
being able to set the attributes of levels
in
the settings manager if it wont switch
them
when u switch level.
You will have to accept that it works
differently to Acad. MS is more
flexible, and doesn't force attributes. But
since you are used to
inflexibility where Acad forces the
attributes, it seems wrong to you - but
not to me. If you want it to work as you are
used to, then close the
attributes dialog and just use the settings
manager to change levels. Or
else, as Dave suggests, use level symbology
to map your colour weight and
texture then it doesn't matter what
symbology an element is, as long as it
is in the correct level. This is more
difficult to understand though, since
autocad doesn't have this.
Hm - i dont seem to get this...i cant believe
i am that stupid.
I already used the settings manager to change
levels. I am double-clicking my desired active
level in settings manager to make it active.
Despite this - it doesnt have the attributes
which i had set in level manager before.
Hmm...it seems to me i dont understand how
level-symbology works, how can i activate it?
From your description this should be exactly
what i want...
ng used
Hm - is there a command reference of all
the
commands in microstation i can use to
assign
to function keys?
Is there also the possibility to assign a
set
of commands - not to a function key - but
a
toolbox?
Yes, you can create your own tool box with
your own icons and add a command,
string of commands or run a macro. This is
found in Workspace>Customise.
Ahh - thx for this, i will check this out..
btw.: why r u using function keys to
change
layer+attributes if u can set it in the
level
manager settings as u stated above? (which
doesnt work for me unfortunately).
I don't. I gave you some examples, as did
Dave. It is up to you to choose
the method that works best for you.
Microstation almost gives you too many
options, so you often find different people
have adopted different ways of
working. There are probably MS users who
still do not use acccudraw, to the
detriment of their own productivity.
Hm, i understand that there are always
different ways to solve problems, and i
appreciate all your suggestions, u can never
know enough :)
Regarding accudraw: is there any known issue
with smart lock?
Sometimes it simply wont work. In fact - none
of the shortcuts for Accudraw work at this
moment..
I am using Return to lock to x/y Axis, but it
wont lock - and it wont switch
polar/rectangular either - it wont recognize
any of the shortcuts - although they are
specified in the Accudraw Settings...strange.
Most of the time they work, but sometimes they
dont, and i cant reproduce it...
--qu
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Dave Preston
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Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:19 am Post subject:
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V8 is the easiest answer - it does it like AutoCAD. But if you're stuck with
MS/J then Settings Manager is probably the easiest option. As you say,
function keys with 25 levels is not that practical.
I must admit, I am a big fan of bylevel (bylayer) properties but we do
sometimes like to override, but of course you could do exactly that in
AutoCAD.
--
Regards
Dave Preston
"quaylar" <cherok@gmx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:54:21 GMT, Daniel
MacNeil <dandot42@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quaylar,
You can simulate changing symbology
(attributes) when changing levels by
stringing commands together and placing them
on a function key or a
custom icon.
i.e.
TO:
set level to 4
color to 3
line style to 7
weight to 3
and activate the place line command
Put this on a function key:
lv=4;co=3;lc=7;wt=3;place line constrained
Note, each command is separated by a semi-
colon.
If you leave off the 'place line
constrained' command at the end then
your current command will stay active but
the level and symbology will
change on the fly while you are in the
middle of the command.
You can access the Function Key dialog in
the pulldown menus.
Workspace->Function Keys...
Dan
Hi Dan!
I realize that this would be a solution for my
problem, although a bit complicated i think.
Would u suggest programming a function key for
each level i have to use? I think there are
currently 25 different levels i have to use,
making function keys or icons for everyone of
them would be rather complicated in my eyes...
i cant imagine that there is no easier way to
achive this...i mean...this is one thing thats
essential imho...
hmm..thx for your tip, if nobody comes up with
a easier solution i will have to try this
one...:)
greets,
qu
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Dave Preston
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Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:23 am Post subject:
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I think you were mistakenly thinking that Settings Manager is linked in with
selecting the active level from the attributes dialog. The settings manager
is really a quick way of providing easy customisation but it doesn't affect
other settings other than what you set in it.
--
Regards
Dave Preston
"quaylar" <cherok@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:1108_1090531874@news.ycn.com...
| Quote: | On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:44:29 GMT, "Dennis
Barker" <dennis_barkerSOS@VERYhotmail.com
wrote:
Hm - in fact i did investigate the
settings
manager, indeed i already setted the
levels i
use more often to the attributes i want
them
to have. BUT - if i change the active
level it
wont set the attributes automatically. I
use
the Standard (or is it primary) toolbox to
change active level. Whenever i change
level
it wont set the corresponding attributes
and i
have to set them manually. (again and
again an
again...argh)
Thats why i was asking about the sense of
being able to set the attributes of levels
in
the settings manager if it wont switch
them
when u switch level.
You will have to accept that it works
differently to Acad. MS is more
flexible, and doesn't force attributes. But
since you are used to
inflexibility where Acad forces the
attributes, it seems wrong to you - but
not to me. If you want it to work as you are
used to, then close the
attributes dialog and just use the settings
manager to change levels. Or
else, as Dave suggests, use level symbology
to map your colour weight and
texture then it doesn't matter what
symbology an element is, as long as it
is in the correct level. This is more
difficult to understand though, since
autocad doesn't have this.
Hm - i dont seem to get this...i cant believe
i am that stupid.
I already used the settings manager to change
levels. I am double-clicking my desired active
level in settings manager to make it active.
Despite this - it doesnt have the attributes
which i had set in level manager before.
Hmm...it seems to me i dont understand how
level-symbology works, how can i activate it?
From your description this should be exactly
what i want...
ng used
Hm - is there a command reference of all
the
commands in microstation i can use to
assign
to function keys?
Is there also the possibility to assign a
set
of commands - not to a function key - but
a
toolbox?
Yes, you can create your own tool box with
your own icons and add a command,
string of commands or run a macro. This is
found in Workspace>Customise.
Ahh - thx for this, i will check this out..
btw.: why r u using function keys to
change
layer+attributes if u can set it in the
level
manager settings as u stated above? (which
doesnt work for me unfortunately).
I don't. I gave you some examples, as did
Dave. It is up to you to choose
the method that works best for you.
Microstation almost gives you too many
options, so you often find different people
have adopted different ways of
working. There are probably MS users who
still do not use acccudraw, to the
detriment of their own productivity.
Hm, i understand that there are always
different ways to solve problems, and i
appreciate all your suggestions, u can never
know enough :)
Regarding accudraw: is there any known issue
with smart lock?
Sometimes it simply wont work. In fact - none
of the shortcuts for Accudraw work at this
moment..
I am using Return to lock to x/y Axis, but it
wont lock - and it wont switch
polar/rectangular either - it wont recognize
any of the shortcuts - although they are
specified in the Accudraw Settings...strange.
Most of the time they work, but sometimes they
dont, and i cant reproduce it...
--qu
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Dave Preston
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Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:36 am Post subject:
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There are many ways to do this, but consider the following:-
Settings Manager easy to customise and you can leave it open on screen,
resized how you want it for quick selection. The downside is the screen
space it takes up.
Assign shortcut keyins to Accudraw e.g. "L1" for level 1 with the command
"lv=1;lc=0;wt=1;co=3" for example. For this to work you would have to change
the existing shortcut key "L" "Lock Index" to something else like "LI". Of
course you don't have to use "L1" but it seemed logical. The downside of
this is having to use the keyboard and AccuDraw has to be open and have
focus for the keyin to work.
Customise the drop down menu using 'Workspace', 'Customize', 'Menu Bar'. The
downside is that it takes 2 picks, one to get the menu and one to pick the
level, BUT you can set shortcut keys for menu options.
--
Regards
Dave Preston
"quaylar" <cherok@gmx.net> wrote in message
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quaylar,
You make it sounds like end of the world.
I am sure many of us prefer the way it is,
the attribute is not
hostage by the level. If I want to draw a
window and put in
level window, I will not draw it in boring
one color, one linetype and
one thickness. What I want is I can have all
the option in all the color,
show different linetype and highlight
(thicken) some lines but able
to turn off all at once.
Tahimik
No - its not the end of the world, i am sure
we will get to this some other day *g*
Why this is that frustrating for me is:
The company i am working for has defined a
special set of levels/layers. Each of them
stands for a special element in the drawing.
And each level has to have exactly the same
line type/color/thickness. Everywhere in the
drawing Level 26 (for instance) has to have
the same attributes.
I do not have the choice u know. This is a
standard i have to obey. And thats why i was
asking for an easy way to achieve it.
(and because i know how easy it would be in
Acad i was very surprised that there was no
obvious way for me to do it in MS..)
nevertheless, i appreciate all your helpful
tips, i am sure i will find a way using
them..:)
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kenspicerjr
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Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:38 pm Post subject:
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Hi quaylar,
It has been almost 2 years since I used Ustn - and it was "J" - but I had a
similar situation and I made a custom pulldowm menu which offered lines
titled by level number and name and, when selected, set that level current
and set color linetype and weight to my desired values. In short, drawing
anything was as simple as selecting "My Levels" from the menu and then
selecting the level on which I wanted to draw. It took maybe less than an
hour to setup 60+ levels and I never had to worry about using the incorrect
attributes if I selected the correct level to use. Hope I understood your
"delimma" correctly and hope this helps.
Kind Regards,
Ken Spicer
"quaylar" <cherok@gmx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi all!
I am currently working on Microstation V7.0 /J
for the first time, and as a formerly Autocad
User there are several things completly new
and unusual to me in Microstation. Some of the
problems i encountered i was able to solve
with the MS-help file and google groups.
But still there are some questions - basics
and more complex things - i dont understand.
Let me state that i searched the archives and
the online help before posting here :)
Well, first of all:
1) I am not able to find out what this /J
means in the version name? wtf? i read about
SE versions, and i searched mirostationīs
website, but still i dont know what /J means??
2) Levels: Well, i am used to following:
I create new Layers in Autocad, assign colors,
line types and line weight, and when i pick
them to be the active layer, the drawn lines
do have the attributes i assigned to the
layers.
Not so in MS: I opened Level manager and
assigned color/line type and -weight to 1 of
the layers. But whenever i am changing the
active layer to the one i configured,
microstation will still use the attributes of
the former layer, and not switch attributes.
WHY?? i really dont understand this.
3) snap points: (old question - i know, i
found lots of threads about this :)
I realize that there is no such thing as
Autosnap as in Autocad - except for the new
V8.0, or using Quick-Snap which i havent tried
so far.
But another thing that is extremly annoying:
Whenever u want to snap to a special point in
Autocat, u get this small rectangle, the
desired snap point has to be within this
rectangle to be snapped. That makes snapping a
lot easier because u dont have to hit the snap
point exactly.
In MS u dont get this small rectangle - all u
get is a cross with which u have to hit the
snap point, more or less accurate. This means
for me i always have to try to get the
tentative point 3-4 times until i get it.
Is there no way to get such a small rectangle
like in ACAD to make snapping easier?
What i am missing also are the dynamic
direction vectors drawn automatically by
autocad when u are constructing. Is there no
such thing - or compareable - for MS?.
Well, thats it so far - i am sure to come up
with more in the next few days, but so far i
would be very glad i u guys could help me out
with some useful tips.
I am working with MS since monday now, and i
have been extremly frustrated about things i
am used to do in acad in 10 secs, taking 5mins
now in microstation to figure out :)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
cheers,
quaylar
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Daniel MacNeil
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quaylar wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:54:21 GMT, Daniel
MacNeil <dandot42@shaw.ca> wrote:
Quaylar,
You can simulate changing symbology
(attributes) when changing levels by
stringing commands together and placing them
on a function key or a
custom icon.
i.e.
TO:
set level to 4
color to 3
line style to 7
weight to 3
and activate the place line command
Put this on a function key:
lv=4;co=3;lc=7;wt=3;place line constrained
Note, each command is separated by a semi-
colon.
If you leave off the 'place line
constrained' command at the end then
your current command will stay active but
the level and symbology will
change on the fly while you are in the
middle of the command.
You can access the Function Key dialog in
the pulldown menus.
Workspace->Function Keys...
Dan
Hi Dan!
I realize that this would be a solution for my
problem, although a bit complicated i think.
Would u suggest programming a function key for
each level i have to use? I think there are
currently 25 different levels i have to use,
making function keys or icons for everyone of
them would be rather complicated in my eyes...
i cant imagine that there is no easier way to
achive this...i mean...this is one thing thats
essential imho...
hmm..thx for your tip, if nobody comes up with
a easier solution i will have to try this
one...:)
greets,
qu
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qu,
I got thinking about your original request which was to be able to
select a level and have the symbology change automatically. It occurred
to me that it would be easy to write a program to do that, so I did. :)
I've been using it for a little while and I find it handy since I mainly
use about 6 or 8 predefined level-symbology settings.
In your case you have to memorize what 25 levels are used for. But that
is your call. :)
To use it you have to set up a list of level and symbology values in a
text file. The help file will explain it.
I can't post a binary file to this news group and I don't want to send
you unsolicited e-mail so I've posted it to:
bentley.microstation.v7.general on news.viecon.com
This is one of Bentleys' news groups.
HTH
Dan |
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Phil Chouinard [Bentley]
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FWIW, something like this was implemented for MicroStation/J in May 2000 and is available from SELECTservices Online. A somewhat
similar application is available for MicroStation V8 (also available from SELECTservices Online), although as has been mentioned,
MicroStation V8 provides some functionality that minimizes it need.
BTW, we host and monitor a number of discussion groups specifically related to Bentley products and services. If you haven't yet,
you might want to check out http://selectservices.bentley.com/discussion/ for some helpful information regarding them. HTH
Phil Chouinard [www.Bentley.com]
"Daniel MacNeil" <dandot42@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:H5xMc.104881$od7.74927@pd7tw3no...
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select a level and have the symbology change automatically. It occurred
to me that it would be easy to write a program to do that, so I did. :)
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quaylar
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:19:12 GMT, "Dave
Preston" <dave@davidcpreston.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | V8 is the easiest answer - it does it like
AutoCAD. But if you're stuck with
MS/J then Settings Manager is probably the
easiest option. As you say,
function keys with 25 levels is not that
practical.
I must admit, I am a big fan of bylevel
(bylayer) properties but we do
sometimes like to override, but of course
you could do exactly that in
AutoCAD.
--
Regards
Dave Preston
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Hi Dave!
You and some others were mentioning settings
manager.
I dont seem to get how u mean this..
I am a little bit confused about this.
I tried to open Level manager and changing
levels within the manager by double clicking
on the desired level which makes it active.
But thats it - it is active - but it doesnt
have the attributes i have set.
So how do u mean using settings manager?
As u said: i am stuck with /J, my company uses
special programs and toolboxes that are using
so called "vdos" which they said isnt
compatible to V8.
greetings,
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quaylar
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| Quote: | qu,
I got thinking about your original request
which was to be able to
select a level and have the symbology change
automatically. It occurred
to me that it would be easy to write a
program to do that, so I did. :)
I've been using it for a little while and I
find it handy since I mainly
use about 6 or 8 predefined level-symbology
settings.
In your case you have to memorize what 25
levels are used for. But that
is your call. :)
To use it you have to set up a list of level
and symbology values in a
text file. The help file will explain it.
I can't post a binary file to this news
group and I don't want to send
you unsolicited e-mail so I've posted it to:
bentley.microstation.v7.general on
news.viecon.com
This is one of Bentleys' news groups.
HTH
Dan
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Hi Dan!
This is great man! Thanks a lot for your
efforts - and all your tips (thanks to all
others discussing this issue as well!)
I will be able to try it tomorrow @work :)
How did u program this?
greets,
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Dave Preston
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You are confusing Level Manager with Settings Manager (available from
'Settings' menu).
I think a basic MicroStation course may pay dividends. There are lots of us
willing to help but a basic knowledge would enable you to make so much
progress.
--
Regards
Dave Preston
"quaylar" <cherok@gmx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 07:19:12 GMT, "Dave
Preston" <dave@davidcpreston.co.uk> wrote:
V8 is the easiest answer - it does it like
AutoCAD. But if you're stuck with
MS/J then Settings Manager is probably the
easiest option. As you say,
function keys with 25 levels is not that
practical.
I must admit, I am a big fan of bylevel
(bylayer) properties but we do
sometimes like to override, but of course
you could do exactly that in
AutoCAD.
--
Regards
Dave Preston
Hi Dave!
You and some others were mentioning settings
manager.
I dont seem to get how u mean this..
I am a little bit confused about this.
I tried to open Level manager and changing
levels within the manager by double clicking
on the desired level which makes it active.
But thats it - it is active - but it doesnt
have the attributes i have set.
So how do u mean using settings manager?
As u said: i am stuck with /J, my company uses
special programs and toolboxes that are using
so called "vdos" which they said isnt
compatible to V8.
greetings,
qu
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Dennis
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In article <1103_1090438041@news.ycn.com>, cherok@gmx.net says...
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Hi all!
I am currently working on Microstation V7.0 /J
for the first time, and as a formerly Autocad
User there are several things completly new
and unusual to me in Microstation. Some of the
problems i encountered i was able to solve
with the MS-help file and google groups.
But still there are some questions - basics
and more complex things - i dont understand.
Let me state that i searched the archives and
the online help before posting here :)
Well, first of all:
1) I am not able to find out what this /J
means in the version name? wtf? i read about
SE versions, and i searched mirostationīs
website, but still i dont know what /J means??
2) Levels: Well, i am used to following:
I create new Layers in Autocad, assign colors,
line types and line weight, and when i pick
them to be the active layer, the drawn lines
do have the attributes i assigned to the
layers.
Not so in MS: I opened Level manager and
assigned color/line type and -weight to 1 of
the layers. But whenever i am changing the
active layer to the one i configured,
microstation will still use the attributes of
the former layer, and not switch attributes.
WHY?? i really dont understand this.
3) snap points: (old question - i know, i
found lots of threads about this :)
I realize that there is no such thing as
Autosnap as in Autocad - except for the new
V8.0, or using Quick-Snap which i havent tried
so far.
But another thing that is extremly annoying:
Whenever u want to snap to a special point in
Autocat, u get this small rectangle, the
desired snap point has to be within this
rectangle to be snapped. That makes snapping a
lot easier because u dont have to hit the snap
point exactly.
In MS u dont get this small rectangle - all u
get is a cross with which u have to hit the
snap point, more or less accurate. This means
for me i always have to try to get the
tentative point 3-4 times until i get it.
Is there no way to get such a small rectangle
like in ACAD to make snapping easier?
What i am missing also are the dynamic
direction vectors drawn automatically by
autocad when u are constructing. Is there no
such thing - or compareable - for MS?.
Well, thats it so far - i am sure to come up
with more in the next few days, but so far i
would be very glad i u guys could help me out
with some useful tips.
I am working with MS since monday now, and i
have been extremly frustrated about things i
am used to do in acad in 10 secs, taking 5mins
now in microstation to figure out :)
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
cheers,
quaylar
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Get rid of J, and get V.8.
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domlanic
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Dennis <Dennis_The_Menace@no_spam.net> wrote in message news:<10gpv74oe6b6h0a@corp.supernews.com>...
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Get rid of J, and get V.8.
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Quaylar already said he doesn't have that option;
but anyway, this has been a very interesting discussion,
illustrating perfectly how surprisingly troublesome it
can be to move fluently between the two systems.
No doubt a few 'experts' will claim to be equally skilled
in both but its a case of 'the exception proving the rule'
However, if Quaylar could persuade his employer to fund the
upgrade to V8, they would realise they'd acquired AutoCLONE!
Certainly it would overcome his major problems re. Layers/
Levels & look so much more familiar.
PS- I commiserate with you, Quaylar; my enforced ventures into
AutoCADland have been every bit as frustrating as your experience! |
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Dennis Barker
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| Quote: | PS- I commiserate with you, Quaylar; my enforced ventures into
AutoCADland have been every bit as frustrating as your experience!
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Me too!
"domlanic" <domlanic@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:902ab0ed.0408051959.4b1c3f93@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | Dennis <Dennis_The_Menace@no_spam.net> wrote in message
news:<10gpv74oe6b6h0a@corp.supernews.com>...
quaylar
Get rid of J, and get V.8.
Quaylar already said he doesn't have that option;
but anyway, this has been a very interesting discussion,
illustrating perfectly how surprisingly troublesome it
can be to move fluently between the two systems.
No doubt a few 'experts' will claim to be equally skilled
in both but its a case of 'the exception proving the rule'
However, if Quaylar could persuade his employer to fund the
upgrade to V8, they would realise they'd acquired AutoCLONE!
Certainly it would overcome his major problems re. Layers/
Levels & look so much more familiar.
PS- I commiserate with you, Quaylar; my enforced ventures into
AutoCADland have been every bit as frustrating as your experience! |
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