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John Woodgate
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:09 am Post subject:
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Svenn Are Bjerkem
<svenn.are@bjerkem.de> wrote (in <ctvbub$afc$1@athen03.muc.infineon.com>
) about 'Exportability of EDA industry from North America?', on Fri, 4
Feb 2005:
| Quote: | It is such a pity that most of the politicians who put up the legal
framework for globalization never had to face competition on uneven
levels
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They did , but their levels were the highest!
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Spehro Pefhany
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:09 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 09:32:11 +0100, the renowned Svenn Are Bjerkem
<svenn.are@bjerkem.de> wrote:
| Quote: | Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Do you know that for a fact? A while ago I was talking to some
developers who worked with their company's "European" team on a large
software project- in St. Petersburg Russia.
That part of Russia belongs to the old definition of Europe, and most of
them wants to join the European Union, because in the European Union it
is forbidden to discriminate work.
I think it is more a question what the salary is compared to level and
quality of education. Many of the former east-block countries have
exellent engineers and they are not so expencive as the western-european
engineers.
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Yes, I believe that Western Russia (and Western Turkey, for that
matter) is European in culture. In this case, there was a deliberate
attempt to make it look like the work was done in Germany without
actually lying. Kind of like saying "North American" and giving a
North Carolina US address, but doing the bulk of the work in Cuba or
Honduras.
| Quote: | It is such a pity that most of the politicians who put up the legal
framework for globalization never had to face competition on uneven levels
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I imagine that they are indirectly profiting from it.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Svenn Are Bjerkem
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:09 am Post subject:
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
| Quote: | Do you know that for a fact? A while ago I was talking to some
developers who worked with their company's "European" team on a large
software project- in St. Petersburg Russia.
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That part of Russia belongs to the old definition of Europe, and most of
them wants to join the European Union, because in the European Union it
is forbidden to discriminate work.
I think it is more a question what the salary is compared to level and
quality of education. Many of the former east-block countries have
exellent engineers and they are not so expencive as the western-european
engineers.
It is such a pity that most of the politicians who put up the legal
framework for globalization never had to face competition on uneven levels
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Svenn
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fogh
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject:
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John Woodgate wrote:
| Quote: | It is such a pity that most of the politicians who put up the legal
framework for globalization never had to face competition on uneven
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They did , but their levels were the highest!
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Given the statistics of politician population, that statement smells of racism
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Joerg
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Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:57 pm Post subject:
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Hello Spehro,
| Quote: | It might not always pan out that way. I am just transitioning to a
European CAD program so the green flows in the other direction. They
didn't outsource it and still had the best pricing.
Do you know that for a fact? A while ago I was talking to some
developers who worked with their company's "European" team on a large
software project- in St. Petersburg Russia.
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Sure, as a customer thousands of miles away you may not know for sure.
But there is one telltale sign that pops up when you have a tough
question. That will often require the original programmer or designer to
answer. Accents are really hard to hide. Like with a graphics card
manufacturer in Canada. When I got answers such as 'that's aboot right'
or I heard 'Bonjour' I somehow knew it's got to be Canada ;-)
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com |
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Spehro Pefhany
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 12:52 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 18:57:55 GMT, the renowned Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Sure, as a customer thousands of miles away you may not know for sure.
But there is one telltale sign that pops up when you have a tough
question. That will often require the original programmer or designer to
answer. Accents are really hard to hide. Like with a graphics card
manufacturer in Canada. When I got answers such as 'that's aboot right'
or I heard 'Bonjour' I somehow knew it's got to be Canada ;-)
Regards, Joerg
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ATI and Matrox don't pretend to be headquartered anywhere else do
they?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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Robert Baer
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject:
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Joerg wrote:
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Hello Spehro,
It might not always pan out that way. I am just transitioning to a
European CAD program so the green flows in the other direction. They
didn't outsource it and still had the best pricing.
Do you know that for a fact? A while ago I was talking to some
developers who worked with their company's "European" team on a large
software project- in St. Petersburg Russia.
Sure, as a customer thousands of miles away you may not know for sure.
But there is one telltale sign that pops up when you have a tough
question. That will often require the original programmer or designer to
answer. Accents are really hard to hide. Like with a graphics card
manufacturer in Canada. When I got answers such as 'that's aboot right'
or I heard 'Bonjour' I somehow knew it's got to be Canada ;-)
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com
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France?? |
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Gary J. Tait
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Sat Feb 05, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:23:50 GMT, Robert Baer
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No Canada, where ATI and Matrox hail from. |
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Robert Baer
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:22 pm Post subject:
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"Gary J. Tait" wrote:
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:23:50 GMT, Robert Baer
robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote:
France??
No Canada, where ATI and Matrox hail from.
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I understood that.
However, when one hears French over the phone on such a call, it is
possible that the help desk could also be in France...or in parts of
Africa (theoretically). |
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Tobias Weingartner
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject:
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In article <4205FE3C.AE4D86E2@earthlink.net>, Robert Baer wrote:
| Quote: | "Gary J. Tait" wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:23:50 GMT, Robert Baer
robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote:
France??
No Canada, where ATI and Matrox hail from.
I understood that.
However, when one hears French over the phone on such a call, it is
possible that the help desk could also be in France...or in parts of
Africa (theoretically).
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And no US citizens speak french, and happen to work at a call centre
in the states? In today's world, it helps not to have any notions about
where you are getting service from. Wheater state, or country, or even
company.
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Spehro Pefhany
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Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:22:54 GMT, the renowned Robert Baer
<robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Gary J. Tait" wrote:
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 14:23:50 GMT, Robert Baer
robertbaer@earthlink.net> wrote:
France??
No Canada, where ATI and Matrox hail from.
I understood that.
However, when one hears French over the phone on such a call, it is
possible that the help desk could also be in France...or in parts of
Africa (theoretically).
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If you're getting lousy service, perhaps it's in Vientiane. |
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