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Joe Ashurst
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:25 am Post subject:
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I picked up some material files from one of the ProE sites. The
tension for all of the ductile irons has the yeild properties in it.
Now my boss has ask why did it not use the tensile strength? ie 65000
45000 12%
In the tension feild the yeild of 45000 was used. Now this is for all
the Ductile Irons. What do you think. Is there a reason that ProE
need this? Or Should it be 65000 instead of 45000?
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Joe Ashurst
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Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:08 pm Post subject:
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jashurst@idexcorp.com (Joe Ashurst) wrote in message news:<f8d02941.0410212025.7344740a@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | I picked up some material files from one of the ProE sites. The
tension for all of the ductile irons has the yeild properties in it.
Now my boss has ask why did it not use the tensile strength? ie 65000
45000 12%
In the tension feild the yeild of 45000 was used. Now this is for all
the Ductile Irons. What do you think. Is there a reason that ProE
need this? Or Should it be 65000 instead of 45000?
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Ok guy that is where I picked up these files. You really did not
answer the question.
MATERIAL A536_65-45-12_DUCTILE_IRON
This file may be edited using available editor.
Just type on the necessary lines appropriate values
after the "=" sign. Comments are not permitted on
lines containing material properties names.
YOUNG_MODULUS = 2.270000E+07
POISSON_RATIO = 2.900000E-01
SHEAR_MODULUS = 9.300000E+06
MASS_DENSITY = 2.570000E-01
THERMAL_EXPANSION_COEFFICIENT = 6.000000E-06
THERM_EXPANSION_REF_TEMPERATURE = 7.000000E+01
STRUCTURAL_DAMPING_COEFFICIENT = 8.316000E-04
STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION = 4.500000E+04
STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_COMPRESSION = 1.500000E+05
STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_SHEAR =
THERMAL_CONDUCTIVITY =
EMISSIVITY =
SPECIFIC_HEAT = 1.300000E-01
HARDNESS = 1.985000E+02
CONDITION = A536_65-45-12
INITIAL_BEND_Y_FACTOR = 5.000000E-01
BEND_TABLE =
PRO_UNIT_MASS = UNIT_POUND
PRO_UNIT_LENGTH = UNIT_INCH
PRO_UNIT_SYS = PROE_DEF
Look at this and tell me if the STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION is right. Or
Should it be 65000? |
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hamei
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:40 pm Post subject:
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Joe Ashurst wrote:
| Quote: | In the tension feild the yeild of 45000 was used. Now this is for
all
the Ductile Irons. What do you think. Is there a reason that ProE
need this? Or Should it be 65000 instead of 45000?
Look at this and tell me if the STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION is right. Or
Should it be 65000?
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Well, uh ... in the real world, once the material has yielded
it is, in effect, b0rken, right ? So do you want to design it
to stay below the yield point or do you want the fucker to come
apart in service like a hand grenade ?
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dakeb
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Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:01 pm Post subject:
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"Joe Ashurst" <jashurst@idexcorp.com> wrote in message
news:f8d02941.0410220508.11802a84@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | jashurst@idexcorp.com (Joe Ashurst) wrote in message
news:<f8d02941.0410212025.7344740a@posting.google.com>...
I picked up some material files from one of the ProE sites. The
tension for all of the ductile irons has the yeild properties in it.
Now my boss has ask why did it not use the tensile strength? ie 65000
45000 12%
In the tension feild the yeild of 45000 was used. Now this is for all
the Ductile Irons. What do you think. Is there a reason that ProE
need this? Or Should it be 65000 instead of 45000?
Ok guy that is where I picked up these files. You really did not
answer the question.
MATERIAL A536_65-45-12_DUCTILE_IRON
This file may be edited using available editor.
Just type on the necessary lines appropriate values
after the "=" sign. Comments are not permitted on
lines containing material properties names.
YOUNG_MODULUS = 2.270000E+07
POISSON_RATIO = 2.900000E-01
SHEAR_MODULUS = 9.300000E+06
MASS_DENSITY = 2.570000E-01
THERMAL_EXPANSION_COEFFICIENT = 6.000000E-06
THERM_EXPANSION_REF_TEMPERATURE = 7.000000E+01
STRUCTURAL_DAMPING_COEFFICIENT = 8.316000E-04
STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION = 4.500000E+04
STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_COMPRESSION = 1.500000E+05
STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_SHEAR =
THERMAL_CONDUCTIVITY =
EMISSIVITY =
SPECIFIC_HEAT = 1.300000E-01
HARDNESS = 1.985000E+02
CONDITION = A536_65-45-12
INITIAL_BEND_Y_FACTOR = 5.000000E-01
BEND_TABLE =
PRO_UNIT_MASS = UNIT_POUND
PRO_UNIT_LENGTH = UNIT_INCH
PRO_UNIT_SYS = PROE_DEF
Look at this and tell me if the STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION is right. Or
Should it be 65000?
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Depends if you read "STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION" to mean "UTS" or "Yield
Strength". The way it's worded it sounds like "Yield Strength". I'm not sure
if and how Mechanica interprets these files. When I designed lifting
structures I always used UTS in my hand calcs, then applied a f.o.s.
afterwards depending on the application. If you apply the same f.o.s. after
using Yield Strength in the calcs your structures will be over designed. You
will have to find out how this information is used by the software to
decide. |
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meld_b
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Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:57 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Is there a reason that ProE
need this?
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Mechanica added failure crition a while back. So while most FEA only
requireds poisson ratio & Modulus to run they allow you to specify a
failure limit and a failure model (Last I knew they had 3 in there) It's
up to you to pick the numbers and the right criterion. I'd have to root
around on internet for a while to answer which number ... www.matweb.com
is a pretty good site. Where did the below come from? I didn't catch that.
| Quote: | Or Should it be 65000 instead of 45000?
Ok guy that is where I picked up these files. You really did not
answer the question.
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Yeah - I didn't either... that's the beauty of newsgroups :-)
| Quote: | MATERIAL A536_65-45-12_DUCTILE_IRON
This file may be edited using available editor.
Just type on the necessary lines appropriate values
after the "=" sign. Comments are not permitted on
lines containing material properties names.
YOUNG_MODULUS = 2.270000E+07
POISSON_RATIO = 2.900000E-01
Look at this and tell me if the STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION is right. Or
Should it be 65000?
Depends if you read "STRESS_LIMIT_FOR_TENSION" to mean "UTS" or "Yield
Strength". The way it's worded it sounds like "Yield Strength". I'm not sure
if and how Mechanica interprets these files. When I designed lifting
structures I always used UTS in my hand calcs, then applied a f.o.s.
afterwards depending on the application. If you apply the same f.o.s. after
using Yield Strength in the calcs your structures will be over designed. You
will have to find out how this information is used by the software to
decide.
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Agreed on the F.O.S... I thought that Yield was where it first starts
breaking and Ultimate where it comes apart.. There's probably a textbook
on all of our shelves that explains this... So the lower number is
probably better... I'd argue with optimization you should be able to
move stresses around and still save money so that you don't have to
design on the hairy edge.
-meld |
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Jeff Howard
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Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:00 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | ... I thought that Yield was where it first starts breaking
and Ultimate where it comes apart.. There's probably a
textbook on all of our shelves that explains this...
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Exceeding yield strength will result in permanent deformation. |
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WoofWoof
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Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject:
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meld_b wrote:
| Quote: | Agreed on the F.O.S... I thought that Yield was where it first starts
breaking and Ultimate where it comes apart.. There's probably a textbook
on all of our shelves that explains this... So the lower number is
probably better... I'd argue with optimization you should be able to
move stresses around and still save money so that you don't have to
design on the hairy edge.
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The yield point is where the relationship between stress and strain is
no longer linear and plastic flow occurs. It's not a failure point in
the sense of the material breaking but there *is* permanent
deformation and the material will not return to its original state
when the load is removed.
The Ultimate Tensile Strength (UTS) is the point, above the yield
point, where rupture occurs.
Generally, Engineers are interested in the behaviour of the material
in its linear region - that is up to the yield point - and the yield
point is what is used in stress calculations along with an appropriate
safety factor. I can't imagine that Mechanica would be interested
outside this region either. |
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