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Doug Broad
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:43 am Post subject:
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Andy,
PMFJI. The others have great suggestions as to view rotations.
I have to ask though, why you want to rotate objects or the view
in order to dimensions?
Dimlinear is not the only dimension command. You also have dimrotated and dimaligned.
One obvious trouble occurs when you rotate the coordinate system to dimension: the text
sometimes ends up relatively upside down.
Dview twist does not affect the direction of dimensions. Rotating the
coordinate system does. Setting UCSFOLLOW to 1 will allow the
view to change automatically as you change your UCS.
Regards,
Doug
"andy drafter" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Old Cadaver and Tom,
Thanks for the help.
This exercise is for spinning my view, performing 2D operations like dimensioning etc.
With 3D orbit how do I get it to rotate exactly 90 degrees? I'm using the "ROLL"
command. Do I need to set something up to have it snap @ 90 degrees?
I had better luck with DVIEW. The only thing is that after rotation the dimensions are
upside down. That's ok but for dimensioning it isn't ideal. What else am I missing?
Again, Thanks. |
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OLD-CADaver
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:12 am Post subject:
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If you're working in 2D, what are you rotating anything?
Or are you placing dims on a 3D object? If so, place the dims in PAPERSPACE. |
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Tom Smith
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:16 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | The view toolbar has standard iso and ortho views already defined.
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Unless I've totally misunderstood what he's said, he's talking about a two
dimensional drawing, because he's been rotating it in the xy plane in order
to look at it from a different angle.
None of the predefined 3D views except "top" will be of any use to him. He
wants "plan" views, at various rotations, which all look downwards at his 2D
drawing plane. The built-in front, back, left, and right views will only
display this plane edgewise
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Robert Davis
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:24 am Post subject:
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LOL... I have no idea what he wants anymore. I'm just throwing stuff to see
what sticks... :-) By saying rotate his entire display to work on another
side, I took side as meaning another plane, thus the 3d answer.
Here's my questions...
What are you trying to dimension? 2d or 3d?
What does the grid have to do with dimensioning?
Why do you need to rotate to dimension? Your dims would all be at different
angles and upside down/sideways/etc. depending on the point of view. That's
certainly not a normal dimensioning practice.
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Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.
robert@easmfg.com
E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
805-987-3665 Voice
805-987-7948 Fax
eas@easmfg.com - General E-Mail
www.easmfg.com - Web Site
"Tom Smith" <nospam> wrote in message news:41ae2670_1@newsprd01...
| Quote: | The view toolbar has standard iso and ortho views already defined.
Unless I've totally misunderstood what he's said, he's talking about a two
dimensional drawing, because he's been rotating it in the xy plane in
order
to look at it from a different angle.
None of the predefined 3D views except "top" will be of any use to him. He
wants "plan" views, at various rotations, which all look downwards at his
2D
drawing plane. The built-in front, back, left, and right views will only
display this plane edgewise
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andy drafter
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 2:38 am Post subject:
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OLD Cadaver,
I'm rotating the view so I can better see any issues related to that view-dimensioning, door callouts, etc. Sometimes I work without rotating the view but I always draw better work when oriented the way a builder would be looking at the plan.
Do you not rotate when drawing 2D? Any thoughts appreciated. |
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Robert Davis
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:02 am Post subject:
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But, then aren't your dimensions in different directions?
"Do you not rotate when drawing 2D?"
Almost never. Why would you need to? I'll rotate objects to position them,
etc. but that's about it. Normally no need to rotate to draft in 2d..
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Robert Davis
QC/CMM Dept.
robert@easmfg.com
E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
804 Via Alondra
Camarillo, Ca 93012
805-987-3665 Voice
805-987-7948 Fax
eas@easmfg.com - General E-Mail
www.easmfg.com - Web Site
"andy drafter" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
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| Quote: | OLD Cadaver,
I'm rotating the view so I can better see any issues related to that
view-dimensioning, door callouts, etc. Sometimes I work without rotating the |
view but I always draw better work when oriented the way a builder would be
looking at the plan.
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Do you not rotate when drawing 2D? Any thoughts appreciated. |
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OLD-CADaver
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 3:35 am Post subject:
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<<I'm rotating the view so I can better see any issues related to that view-dimensioning, door callouts, etc>>
Are you drawing 2D or 3D?
If you're using the ROTATE command you are NOT rotating your view, you are rotating the objects.
<<but I always draw better work when oriented the way a builder would be looking at the plan. >>
Not sure what you mean, the builder will build it to the orientation indicated by the drawings.
<<Do you not rotate when drawing 2D? >>
NO, and don't really see a point in doing so, other than a one-time DVIEW TWIST to fit a viewport to a sheet. Anything I can see, on a 2D drawing, from one twist angle will be visible from any twist angle.
Objects should be placed in real space, at the location and orientation in which they belong, and there they should remain. If you wish to twist them around for some reason DO NOT use the rotate command, but rather change your view with any of the other commands already posted. |
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andy drafter
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 4:13 am Post subject:
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OLD Cad aver,
Sorry, I need to think more about the terminology in my communications. The following is all in 2D.
Before today I used to rotate the entrie drawing in model space to work on diff. sides of a building and dimension, etc. as mentioned.
The problem with that is I found that items that were locked wouldn't rotate and when I turned them on (grid lines for instance) they were not on the same axis and I would have to grab them and rotate them to get everything in sync.
Now, today I'm trying to (twist, rotate, whatever) THE VIEW. The problem with DVIEW is that I'm finding the dimensions I'm working on are upside down. This makes it hard towork on. I believe one of the other posts mentioned how to correct this but I haven't figured it out yet.
Basically, I'm working in 2D and want to be able to rotate my VIEW and work on different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm working on at the Bottom of the monitor.
Thanks again to all that responded. |
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Dave Jones
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:00 am Post subject:
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"andy drafter" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
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| Quote: | OLD Cad aver,
Sorry, I need to think more about the terminology in my communications.
The following is all in 2D.
Before today I used to rotate the entrie drawing in model space to work on
diff. sides of a building and dimension, etc. as mentioned.
The problem with that is I found that items that were locked wouldn't
rotate and when I turned them on (grid lines for instance) they were not on |
the same axis and I would have to grab them and rotate them to get
everything in sync.
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Now, today I'm trying to (twist, rotate, whatever) THE VIEW. The problem
with DVIEW is that I'm finding the dimensions I'm working on are upside |
down. This makes it hard towork on. I believe one of the other posts
mentioned how to correct this but I haven't figured it out yet.
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Basically, I'm working in 2D and want to be able to rotate my VIEW and
work on different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm |
working on at the Bottom of the monitor.
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Thanks again to all that responded.
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just use this to flip the dim text around.
;;thanks to David Kozina
;;via email 11-20-00
(defun C:FLIPTEXT (/ ss i ent ele)
(setq ss (ssget '((0 . "DIMENSION")))
i (1- (sslength ss)))
(while (not (minusp i))
(setq ent (ssname ss i)
ele (entget ent))
(entmod
(subst (cons 51 (- (abs (cdr (assoc 51 ele))) PI))
(assoc 51 ele)
ele))
(entupd ent)
(setq i (1- i))))
I agree with all of the others about not rotating geometry. I never use
Aligned dimensions and in order to always use Linear dimensions I rotate the
view so that what's being dimensioned is on either the X or Y axis. Some
save views. I just have another routine that I got here that quickly rotates
my geometry based on two pick points. If you need that one let me know.
Dave
DDP |
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OLD-CADaver
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:22 am Post subject:
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<<Basically, I'm working in 2D and want to be able to rotate my VIEW and work on different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm working on at the Bottom of the monitor.
Did my wife learn how to read a map from you? I've been doing this a very long time with hundreds of different drafters, and that's a new one on me.
Do you want the dims to always orient to the bottom of the monitor as well so that dims on the "top are now upside down? If so, UCS Z is your easiest bet (I think):
UCS <enter>
Z <enter>
90 <enter>
PLAN <enter><enter>
Okay some background, the 90 above will spin your current User Coord. System around the Z axis 90deg. COUNTER-CLOCKWISE. PLAN <enter><enter> will twist your current view to match the current UCS, effectively rotating the view 90deg CLOCKWISE. Dimensions then placed will match the current UCS.
Does anybody else here work like this?? Just curious. |
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Doug Broad
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:38 pm Post subject:
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A few times in the past, I experimented with drawing elevations projected
off of the plan and drew a rectangle of the extents of the plan and used offset
to get a ground line about twice the height of the building away from the
plan. Then I drew all four elevations radiated from the plan. I found
this was more trouble than it was worth and moved to xreffing the plan
and making four copies of the plan rotated so that each face was down.
Now I use ADT which generates the elevations and sections automatically.
I still use UCS Z rotations for arrays and when working on plans of
wings that are not orthogonal.
"OLD-CADaver" <nospam@address.withheld> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Basically, I'm working in 2D and want to be able to rotate my VIEW and work on
different sides of the building with the side of the building I'm working on at the Bottom |
of the monitor.
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Did my wife learn how to read a map from you? I've been doing this a very long time
with hundreds of different drafters, and that's a new one on me.
Do you want the dims to always orient to the bottom of the monitor as well so that dims
on the "top are now upside down? If so, UCS Z is your easiest bet (I think):
UCS <enter
Z <enter
90 <enter
PLAN <enter><enter
Okay some background, the 90 above will spin your current User Coord. System around the
Z axis 90deg. COUNTER-CLOCKWISE. PLAN <enter><enter> will twist your current view to match |
the current UCS, effectively rotating the view 90deg CLOCKWISE. Dimensions then placed
will match the current UCS.
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Does anybody else here work like this?? Just curious. |
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Paul Turvill
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 9:42 pm Post subject:
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Actually, it's not difficult at all. We've been doing it that way forever,
using named UCS's and a little bit of LISP.
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"Doug Broad" <dbroad-no@spam-nash.cc.nc.us> wrote in message
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| Quote: | A few times in the past, I experimented with drawing elevations projected
off of the plan and drew a rectangle of the extents of the plan and used
offset
to get a ground line about twice the height of the building away from the
plan. Then I drew all four elevations radiated from the plan. I found
this was more trouble than it was worth |
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Tom Smith
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:35 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | Actually, it's not difficult at all. We've been doing it that way forever,
using named UCS's and a little bit of LISP.
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I've also done it that way for quite a while, seems comfortable to me. I use
named views to pop between them. Previously I used a bit of lisp to restore
a view and then do a UCS View to restore coordinates, but since you can save
UCS with view now, you can do the whole thing with just the view command. |
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Tom Smith
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 10:37 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I've been doing this a very long time with hundreds of different drafters,
and that's a new one on me. |
LOL -- even back in the olden days, I don't remember ever seeing anyone turn
their vellum upside down on the drafting board because they wanted to work
near the top edge of the sheet. |
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Dave Jones
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Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:56 am Post subject:
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"Tom Smith" <nospam> wrote in message news:41af52b8_1@newsprd01...
| Quote: | I've been doing this a very long time with hundreds of different
drafters,
and that's a new one on me.
LOL -- even back in the olden days, I don't remember ever seeing anyone
turn
their vellum upside down on the drafting board because they wanted to work
near the top edge of the sheet.
I had longer (and younger) arms in those days :) |
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