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John J
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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Off topic here, but has anyone gone thru scanning old prints and
micro-film and converting them to PDF (or any other format for that matter)?
We have tons of old drawings which exist solely in a stack of drawers
here, and have sort of come to the realization that if this place goes
up in smoke we're sorta screwed. And before you ask, yes, we still
manufacture most of these parts. We also have a large number of
microfilmed prints.
Anybody know of someplace reputable who would scan and convert all these
things for us? Sizes range from smaller than A-size to D-dize.
All I can think of is Xerox, and that's only because of an ad campaign
they ran a few years ago.
thx,
john
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jb
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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We went though this almost 10 years ago. Can't say the process was any where
near smooth. I would estimate only 20% of the prints were readable when
done. Now that may have been the company that scanned the paper. I don't
know if they are still in business or not but would not send anyone there
anyway..
Now so many years later.... we most likely only pull up a scanned print 5%
of the time, having redrawn as time allowed and the parts were needed in
production.. I mean we only had prints dating back to 1932 so how many could
it be?? :)
I guess what I am trying to say is after all the cost and poor quality
scans, I would just redraw as needed.
jb
"John J" <jjablonskdiespamdiei@deluxestitcher.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Off topic here, but has anyone gone thru scanning old prints and
micro-film and converting them to PDF (or any other format for that
matter)?
We have tons of old drawings which exist solely in a stack of drawers
here, and have sort of come to the realization that if this place goes up
in smoke we're sorta screwed. And before you ask, yes, we still
manufacture most of these parts. We also have a large number of
microfilmed prints.
Anybody know of someplace reputable who would scan and convert all these
things for us? Sizes range from smaller than A-size to D-dize.
All I can think of is Xerox, and that's only because of an ad campaign
they ran a few years ago.
thx,
john |
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Michael
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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If your primary concern is disaster recovery, why not just make paper copies
and store them off site--one set locally for fire or equivalent, one at a
great distance in case of Katrina....
High quality scans will use a TON of bits, which then introduces its own set
of archive/backup/hardware issues... unless there's some compelling reason
to do so I'd be reluctant to go down the electronic path.
"John J" <jjablonskdiespamdiei@deluxestitcher.com> wrote in message
news:y5mdnW1xz6R8HxbenZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
| Quote: | Off topic here, but has anyone gone thru scanning old prints and
micro-film and converting them to PDF (or any other format for that
matter)?
We have tons of old drawings which exist solely in a stack of drawers
here, and have sort of come to the realization that if this place goes up
in smoke we're sorta screwed. And before you ask, yes, we still
manufacture most of these parts. We also have a large number of
microfilmed prints.
Anybody know of someplace reputable who would scan and convert all these
things for us? Sizes range from smaller than A-size to D-dize.
All I can think of is Xerox, and that's only because of an ad campaign
they ran a few years ago.
thx,
john |
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John J
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
Re: Mass scanning of old prints |
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jb wrote:
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I guess what I am trying to say is after all the cost and poor quality
scans, I would just redraw as needed.
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Wow. You must have tons of free time. :-)
We have drawings from the early 1900s as well. We have TONS of paper
prints, and no where near enough time to redraw them. Some are fairly
complex, and it's really not worth spending two days on a new
model/print when we can just fax out the existing print.
Part of the reason is disaster recovery too.
However, based on your other comments, I would have them do a
representative sample of drawings and check their quality before giving
them the whole she-bang.
-john |
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ms
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:10 am Post subject:
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www.cambric.com for conversion to CAD files
"John J" <jjablonskdiespamdiei@deluxestitcher.com> wrote in message
news:y5mdnW1xz6R8HxbenZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
| Quote: | Off topic here, but has anyone gone thru scanning old prints and
micro-film and converting them to PDF (or any other format for that
matter)?
We have tons of old drawings which exist solely in a stack of drawers
here, and have sort of come to the realization that if this place goes up
in smoke we're sorta screwed. And before you ask, yes, we still
manufacture most of these parts. We also have a large number of
microfilmed prints.
Anybody know of someplace reputable who would scan and convert all these
things for us? Sizes range from smaller than A-size to D-dize.
All I can think of is Xerox, and that's only because of an ad campaign
they ran a few years ago.
thx,
john |
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:10 am Post subject:
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Believe it or not, but if you go to the SW website and look under the
MfgNetwork you will find a whole list of suppliers of this kind of
service. Bet they know SW as well. |
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Cliff
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:10 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:17:05 -0600, John J
<jjablonskdiespamdiei@deluxestitcher.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Off topic here, but has anyone gone thru scanning old prints and
micro-film and converting them to PDF (or any other format for that matter)?
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Over long time periods microfilm is probably more dependable.
You'll still be able to read it in 50 years.
I'd not claim even 5 for version ANBC of a PFF file.
IIRC In 1980 someone needed the raw 1960 US Census data.
They still had it on mag tape.
Only two *possible* remaining computers in the world could read it
- one was an unpowered exhibit in the Smithsonian and the other was
somewhere in Japan.
I don't know if they ever got the data needed. Mag tape might
only be good for about a decade anyway.
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
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We have had pretty decent results by just using a digital camera (ours
is 7.2 MP) to simply take a picture of the old prints.
John J wrote:
| Quote: | Off topic here, but has anyone gone thru scanning old prints and
micro-film and converting them to PDF (or any other format for that matter)?
We have tons of old drawings which exist solely in a stack of drawers
here, and have sort of come to the realization that if this place goes
up in smoke we're sorta screwed. And before you ask, yes, we still
manufacture most of these parts. We also have a large number of
microfilmed prints.
Anybody know of someplace reputable who would scan and convert all these
things for us? Sizes range from smaller than A-size to D-dize.
All I can think of is Xerox, and that's only because of an ad campaign
they ran a few years ago.
thx,
john |
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Rod Knock
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Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
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Rolta Intarnational has done this for me succsesfully
Cotact:
Sanjay Bahtnagar
5865 North Point Parkway
Alpharetta, GA 30022
(678) 942-5004
Tell him Rodney at MWH Inc. refered you to him. |
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Jonathan Anderson
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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My company has done this with all our old drawings. We did it
ourselves with a KIP scanner (www.kipamerica.com) and the quality is
pretty good. It's the kind of task that you could probably hire a temp
for (although we did not).
Jonathan Anderson |
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SW Monkey
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
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LOL, you cant be serious. Data storage is SO cheap these days, its more
than worth it to scan old drawings to digital format. How much would
storage cost be for a room full of drawings? Not to mention a disaster
can happen at any given location (fire, tornado, theft, etc). So
having your drawing in digital format allows you to have cheap,
multisite backup solutions. |
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Michael
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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data storage is cheap in the short run--not so much so over time.
reading a drawing from 20 years ago is easy, and will be easy 20 years from
now. Digital formats change constantly, and the media is of significantly
less than archival quality. Sure, you can buy a 200 gig HD for nearly
nothing. Will you still be able to read anything from it in 5 years, let
alone 20? What will it cost to keep migrating the data as the digital
formats change?
"John J" <jjablonskdiespamdiei@deluxestitcher.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | SW Monkey wrote:
LOL, you cant be serious. Data storage is SO cheap these days, its more
than worth it to scan old drawings to digital format. How much would
storage cost be for a room full of drawings? Not to mention a disaster
can happen at any given location (fire, tornado, theft, etc). So
having your drawing in digital format allows you to have cheap,
multisite backup solutions.
yeah. I was going to say the same thing.
Get the disks from the scanning vendor, copy them here and off site, do a
quick rsync to get the times synced up, and never worry about it again.
And save all the bandwidth costs.
Disk space is cheap.
-john |
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John J
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Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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SW Monkey wrote:
| Quote: | LOL, you cant be serious. Data storage is SO cheap these days, its more
than worth it to scan old drawings to digital format. How much would
storage cost be for a room full of drawings? Not to mention a disaster
can happen at any given location (fire, tornado, theft, etc). So
having your drawing in digital format allows you to have cheap,
multisite backup solutions.
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yeah. I was going to say the same thing.
Get the disks from the scanning vendor, copy them here and off site, do
a quick rsync to get the times synced up, and never worry about it
again. And save all the bandwidth costs.
Disk space is cheap.
-john |
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Dale Dunn
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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What will it cost to keep migrating the
| Quote: | data as the digital formats change?
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I wouldn't think it would cost much at all, as long as you don't use a
proprietary, lossy format.
The main problem is that you have to pay attention and keep up with it. |
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John J
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Thu Dec 01, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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Michael wrote:
| Quote: | data storage is cheap in the short run--not so much so over time.
reading a drawing from 20 years ago is easy, and will be easy 20 years from
now. Digital formats change constantly, and the media is of significantly
less than archival quality. Sure, you can buy a 200 gig HD for nearly
nothing. Will you still be able to read anything from it in 5 years, let
alone 20? What will it cost to keep migrating the data as the digital
formats change?
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well, when you buy a new server, you transfer everything over to the new
one....not nearly enough data at this point to justify archival tapes.
besides, you run a bigger risk of not being able to open Sw98+ files 20
years from now (SW2026), than will you do of having corrupt data.
so save everything in PDF and OpenDocument format and you can read stuff
forever.
-john
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"John J" <jjablonskdiespamdiei@deluxestitcher.com> wrote in message
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SW Monkey wrote:
LOL, you cant be serious. Data storage is SO cheap these days, its more
than worth it to scan old drawings to digital format. How much would
storage cost be for a room full of drawings? Not to mention a disaster
can happen at any given location (fire, tornado, theft, etc). So
having your drawing in digital format allows you to have cheap,
multisite backup solutions.
yeah. I was going to say the same thing.
Get the disks from the scanning vendor, copy them here and off site, do a
quick rsync to get the times synced up, and never worry about it again.
And save all the bandwidth costs.
Disk space is cheap.
-john
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