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Sporkman
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: OT: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

Please forgive the off-topic post -- I just know that the people here in
comp.cad.solidworks are more responsive than in most other Usenet
newsgroups, and that someone here probably has a good answer to my
question.

I have a fairly large (approx 70 pages or so) and very unique document
pertaining to WWII historical records that I'd like to scan into an
Adobe Acrobat file to put it on my Web site. I normally use CorelDraw
for purposes such as that, and I can do so this time, but I note that
scanned pages usually take up an awful lot of file space, even when
formated as PDF. Does anyone have suggestions as to settings or
software alternative to CorelDraw that will give better compression?
The scanned pages will initially be JPEG format, and I've tried a bunch
of different options to try to minimize file size output by CorelDraw.
I've also tried using Adobe Distiller from a PostScript output (.prn)
file, but the size seems to be much larger that way.

TIA
Mark 'Sporky' Stapleton
Watermark Design, LLC
www.h2omarkdesign.com

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neil
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

how large is it presently? a lot of folk have broadband now a days so maybe
it doesn't matter provided you give the file size with your link....also you
could give some sample pages for people to look at and decide if they want
to download the whole thing.
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WT
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

I was there in 1976, and as you state, no matter how much people have
tried to change your mind, once you look into the ovens and the gas
chamber, and see the collection of bones that's there, you can not deny
that it happened.

Several years ago we had the wonderful opportunity to have a lady come
speak at our church - she was a Polish survivor of the camps. My kids
didn't necessarily want to go hear some old lady speak, but I told them
that they most certainly were going to go, and I expected them to
listen well as some day someone would try to make them believe that it
never happened. But having met her and talked to her, they knew she
was real. And the things she knew could not have been made up.

WT

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neil
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

is this group responsive or what?
less than an hour and we cracked it....
everyone should have this group in place of an encyclopaedia
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Sporkman
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

There are chapters, so your idea is a good one. I'll do that.

neil wrote:
Quote:

I guess you better publish a high quality version then so there is no
question it is authentic...
perhaps you could break it down to chapters or sections of 10p with a simple
index for researchers.
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Sporkman
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

Actually I just now found the document (again) and realized I wanted to
preserve it for posterity, so I haven't scanned it in yet. The
suggestion about sample pages is a good one, and I'll certainly note the
file size on the link to the overall document.

neil wrote:
Quote:

how large is it presently? a lot of folk have broadband now a days so maybe
it doesn't matter provided you give the file size with your link....also you
could give some sample pages for people to look at and decide if they want
to download the whole thing.
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Sporkman
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

I'll certainly scan it in grayscale -- it's only black and white anyway,
as you might imagine for a document of such age. It is, BTW, the
official (and original) OSS account of the Dachau concentration camp in
Bavaria. I don't know that it's available otherwise, but I don't know
that it's not. Almost certainly it's a fairly rare copy. The pictures
are very grainy, as you would expect, but better than I would have
thought for such an aged copy (it was decades old when I first obtained
it 15 years ago). I'm sure the first copies were mimeographed. This
one APPEARS photocopied, but it's hard to tell. Paper is quite
yellowed, but no bookworm holes.

SteveT wrote:
Quote:

can your scanned JPG files be reduced down to grayscale colors instead of
millions of colors? or does your document have to be in full color?

Hope that helps
Steve T.
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John Layne
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

Sporkman wrote:
Quote:
There are chapters, so your idea is a good one. I'll do that.

neil wrote:
I guess you better publish a high quality version then so there is no
question it is authentic...
perhaps you could break it down to chapters or sections of 10p with a simple
index for researchers.

Sporky

Go into Adobe Acrobats help and search for "compression" the first on
the list that follows, "Methods of compression", details the various
methods that Adobe uses. "Run Length" lossless compression, may be the
best method for your purpose. However reading this particular help
section will possibly influence your decision.

John Layne
www.solidengineering.co.nz
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Zander
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

Hi Sporkman,

For my 2 cents - don't worry about filesize. Whenever I scan documents
to preserve them for prosperity I go hi-res all the way. PDF
compression can be turned on and turned up (under advanced options of
acrobat) but they tend to mangle fine details. Remember that in the
very near future the filesize of your pdf scans will certainly be
considered quaint, even if they are large by todays standards.

Also, my canon all-in-one fax gizmo has a sheet fed scanner which will
scan to a multiple page pdf directly - really nice feature. You can
just load all 70 pages into the hopper and hit go. Works great.

Zander
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Sporkman
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: OT: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
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I sugget you try bitmap (black/white) GIF for the scan format. JPGs
are good for photographic images, but really crummy for things with
sharp edges like text or line art. They tend to have blurry artifacts
around the edges unless you go really high with the resolution. PDFs
can contain either.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

Really? GIF images, huh? Well, my printer/fax/copier/scanner only does
JPEGs, but would it help to convert those to black & white GIF (using
Corel PhotoPaint or something similar) before inserting into CorelDraw
to create the PDF? Well, anyway, I'll try it and see what results I
get. Thanks, Spehro.

'Sporky'
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Sporkman
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

neil wrote:
Quote:

what if the pictures were reduced in size after scanning - could save a lot
of space and look better?

Umm, maybe, but everything will end up as bitmaps anyway. Text was from
a typewriter and I'm sure was mimeographed. Possiblity of getting
decent text recognition is low, and would require a LOT of cleanup, but
that would also mean that the document as presented would not be an
unaltered copy of the original. Part of the purpose of publishing the
thing on the Web is to counter revisionist claims that the whole
concentration camp thing was a hoax, or at least greatly exaggerated out
of proportion. Visit alt.revisionism to see some of the outrageous
denial. There's hardly any single sufficient word for it in English.
In German, one would say "Bludsinn" (bloody sense or bloody non-sense,
basically wanton and evil lies). I visited Dauchau camp myself
30-some-odd years ago, and the memories are still very vivid today.

'Sporky'
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Spehro Pefhany
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: OT: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:03:50 -0500, the renowned Sporkman
<sporkedUNDERLINEagainMUNGE@bigfootDOT.com> wrote:

Quote:
Please forgive the off-topic post -- I just know that the people here in
comp.cad.solidworks are more responsive than in most other Usenet
newsgroups, and that someone here probably has a good answer to my
question.

I have a fairly large (approx 70 pages or so) and very unique document
pertaining to WWII historical records that I'd like to scan into an
Adobe Acrobat file to put it on my Web site. I normally use CorelDraw
for purposes such as that, and I can do so this time, but I note that
scanned pages usually take up an awful lot of file space, even when
formated as PDF. Does anyone have suggestions as to settings or
software alternative to CorelDraw that will give better compression?
The scanned pages will initially be JPEG format, and I've tried a bunch
of different options to try to minimize file size output by CorelDraw.
I've also tried using Adobe Distiller from a PostScript output (.prn)
file, but the size seems to be much larger that way.

TIA
Mark 'Sporky' Stapleton
Watermark Design, LLC
www.h2omarkdesign.com


My Canon scanner software does a pretty good job of converting to PDF
size-wise, but I think you have to assemble the resulting pages
yourself. Of course if you have Acrobat Capture, you'd use that.

I sugget you try bitmap (black/white) GIF for the scan format. JPGs
are good for photographic images, but really crummy for things with
sharp edges like text or line art. They tend to have blurry artifacts
around the edges unless you go really high with the resolution. PDFs
can contain either.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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neil
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

I guess you better publish a high quality version then so there is no
question it is authentic...
perhaps you could break it down to chapters or sections of 10p with a simple
index for researchers.
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neil
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

what if the pictures were reduced in size after scanning - could save a lot
of space and look better?
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SteveT
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Scanning pages to PDF file Reply with quote

can your scanned JPG files be reduced down to grayscale colors instead of
millions of colors? or does your document have to be in full color?

Hope that helps
Steve T.

"Sporkman" <sporkedUNDERLINEagainMUNGE@bigfootDOT.com> wrote in message
news:43823636.566FA681@bigfootDOT.com...
Quote:
Please forgive the off-topic post -- I just know that the people here in
comp.cad.solidworks are more responsive than in most other Usenet
newsgroups, and that someone here probably has a good answer to my
question.

I have a fairly large (approx 70 pages or so) and very unique document
pertaining to WWII historical records that I'd like to scan into an
Adobe Acrobat file to put it on my Web site. I normally use CorelDraw
for purposes such as that, and I can do so this time, but I note that
scanned pages usually take up an awful lot of file space, even when
formated as PDF. Does anyone have suggestions as to settings or
software alternative to CorelDraw that will give better compression?
The scanned pages will initially be JPEG format, and I've tried a bunch
of different options to try to minimize file size output by CorelDraw.
I've also tried using Adobe Distiller from a PostScript output (.prn)
file, but the size seems to be much larger that way.

TIA
Mark 'Sporky' Stapleton
Watermark Design, LLC
www.h2omarkdesign.com
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