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Ron
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
Hp designjjet 2500 |
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Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
thx
Ron
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Don
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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"Ron"> wrote
| Quote: | Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
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Looks like it has some baggage.
Take a look at epinion to see if there are some reviews.
With these things its the ongoing expenses that make the diff., check
cartridge/drum prices and take a look at the lifespan (number of sheets) and
divide it in half.
The manuf always say their printers print more than they actually do.
In stock form the 2500 seems to have some paper supply issues and its noisy.
Having said all that, I am an avid HP fan, having been convinced long ago
that their stuff is good.
5 years ago my HP660c printer failed, after owning it and running the shit
out of it for a couple years, so a call to HP caused them to send a person
to my door the very next morning to pick it up. They delivered it back 6
days later *in better condition that the day it was born*. Hoo-wee! Yeah!!!
My HP450c has been going strong for almost 8 years now with little in the
way of maintenance issues, only 2 belt replacements a $250 a crack. Though I
will admit it is making some strange sounds lately so I may have a
maintenance review done ($350.00). My HP120c has been kicking hard for about
5 years now with no problems. It will print on 17" wide paper. (HP says it
will print on 19" wide paper but I have never been able to find it).
http://tinyurl.com/9cctj |
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gruhn
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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| Quote: | Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
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Using a DJ w/ a smaller number at this office. 1055 iirc. Finding it harder
to get colors matched than with the older 750. Maybe that's because I'm
incompetent, dunno. After going on two years, we are starting to get
complacent about the speed of the thing. Amount of annoyance and fighting
has been normal, maybe even light.
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P Fritz
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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The Calcomp was are first plotter........it was cheap......but we put
out
a
lot of prints with it before it died. Now we are running with a
designjet
430.......just had to have it repaired for the first time in 4-5
years.......the belt stretched and would not stay on track. The repro
places prefer that we just send them plot files....they cansend them
directly to their high speed machines, and not have to have manpower
feeding in the individual sheets......our next big job will probably
mean
the end of our diazo machine...........
We've been digitally sending files for a couple of years...we have no
diazo
machine. Check plots are done in house, sets are done digitally at the
repro desk. We have not missed the smell of ammonia wafting through the
office.
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My partner still like to do the hand draw prelims and color up the
diazos..............sometimes you cannot teach an old dog.......
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3D Peruna
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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"Ron" <ron@nospamng.ca> wrote in message
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Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
thx
Ron
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We've got a 550ps and like it. Speed is the only real issue, but it's not
that bad. We'd like a 2500, but we've got to score that really big project
to justify it (and have the cash...we don't finance).
I've worked with CalComp and Mutoh. Didn't like either of them. The
CalComp TechJet was crap. The Mutoh was a pen plotter (they guy got it
because it had a mechanical pencil option and he liked it for his poche). |
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Ron
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in
news:SJxaf.4544$m81.3958@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
| Quote: | "Ron"> wrote
Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
Looks like it has some baggage.
Take a look at epinion to see if there are some reviews.
With these things its the ongoing expenses that make the diff., check
cartridge/drum prices and take a look at the lifespan (number of
sheets) and divide it in half.
The manuf always say their printers print more than they actually do.
In stock form the 2500 seems to have some paper supply issues and its
noisy. Having said all that, I am an avid HP fan, having been
convinced long ago that their stuff is good.
5 years ago my HP660c printer failed, after owning it and running the
shit out of it for a couple years, so a call to HP caused them to send
a person to my door the very next morning to pick it up. They
delivered it back 6 days later *in better condition that the day it
was born*. Hoo-wee! Yeah!!! My HP450c has been going strong for almost
8 years now with little in the way of maintenance issues, only 2 belt
replacements a $250 a crack. Though I will admit it is making some
strange sounds lately so I may have a maintenance review done
($350.00). My HP120c has been kicking hard for about 5 years now with
no problems. It will print on 17" wide paper. (HP says it will print
on 19" wide paper but I have never been able to find it).
http://tinyurl.com/9cctj
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Umm Don I was asking about the Designjet not the laserjet !
Anyway I have checked places like epinions and searched NGs via google.
Not much, it seems its a little more geared to graphics than cad.
In fact the person selling one used near my calls it a "poster machine"!
My DJ600 has served me well until leaving R14, Acad 2000-and-on plot
files BALLOONED in size and now it takes an eternity to spool to
plotter.
The 1000 series, ie 1050 seem the fastest and also geared to cad but
alas non for sale used yet :-(
Ron |
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3D Peruna
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Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
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The Calcomp was are first plotter........it was cheap......but we put out
a
lot of prints with it before it died. Now we are running with a
designjet
430.......just had to have it repaired for the first time in 4-5
years.......the belt stretched and would not stay on track. The repro
places prefer that we just send them plot files....they cansend them
directly to their high speed machines, and not have to have manpower
feeding in the individual sheets......our next big job will probably mean
the end of our diazo machine...........
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We've been digitally sending files for a couple of years...we have no diazo
machine. Check plots are done in house, sets are done digitally at the
repro desk. We have not missed the smell of ammonia wafting through the
office. |
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P Fritz
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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The Calcomp was are first plotter........it was cheap......but we put out a
lot of prints with it before it died. Now we are running with a designjet
430.......just had to have it repaired for the first time in 4-5
years.......the belt stretched and would not stay on track. The repro
places prefer that we just send them plot files....they cansend them
directly to their high speed machines, and not have to have manpower
feeding in the individual sheets......our next big job will probably mean
the end of our diazo machine...........
"3D Peruna" <w!h#a$r%o^l&d@w!e#i$r%d&n*e(s)s.com> wrote in message
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"Ron" <ron@nospamng.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns9703900144CCspamngca@199.175.106.247...
Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
thx
Ron
We've got a 550ps and like it. Speed is the only real issue, but it's not
that bad. We'd like a 2500, but we've got to score that really big
project
to justify it (and have the cash...we don't finance).
I've worked with CalComp and Mutoh. Didn't like either of them. The
CalComp TechJet was crap. The Mutoh was a pen plotter (they guy got it
because it had a mechanical pencil option and he liked it for his poche).
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3D Peruna
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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"Cato" <cato_the_stoic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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gruhn wrote:
Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
Using a DJ w/ a smaller number at this office. 1055 iirc. Finding it
harder
to get colors matched than with the older 750. Maybe that's because I'm
incompetent, dunno. After going on two years, we are starting to get
complacent about the speed of the thing. Amount of annoyance and fighting
has been normal, maybe even light.
I've had the same problem. It's probably because they are 6 six rather
than the four color printers. Wasn't the 750 a four color? I haven't
seen one in a while, but I think it was purely a CMYK printer. Am I
remembering correctly? We have an older 1050 and a newer 5500 42" that
are both 6 color, and I personally find the colors less "pleasing" than
the older four color inkjets. Everything seems a bit more desaturated.
Too much of a good thing?
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A few things to be aware of...
1) Check the color profile of the image. Photoshop is good for this.
Getting this right makes a world of difference. It's also one of the most
annoyinging difficult things to do this.
2) Verify that you have current drivers (a "duh" but you'd be surprised).
3) Check with HPs site on the customer help forums, if you haven't already.
Somebody has probably had your problem and a solution has probably been
suggested. Getting your search terms correct is tough because most posters
are idiots and don't put anything useful in the subject line.
4) Sometimes changing your image from RGB to CMYK makes a difference. |
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Cato
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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gruhn wrote:
| Quote: | Any of you using this kind of plotter for architectural work ?
Pros and Cons ?
Using a DJ w/ a smaller number at this office. 1055 iirc. Finding it harder
to get colors matched than with the older 750. Maybe that's because I'm
incompetent, dunno. After going on two years, we are starting to get
complacent about the speed of the thing. Amount of annoyance and fighting
has been normal, maybe even light.
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I've had the same problem. It's probably because they are 6 six rather
than the four color printers. Wasn't the 750 a four color? I haven't
seen one in a while, but I think it was purely a CMYK printer. Am I
remembering correctly? We have an older 1050 and a newer 5500 42" that
are both 6 color, and I personally find the colors less "pleasing" than
the older four color inkjets. Everything seems a bit more desaturated.
Too much of a good thing? |
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P Fritz
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote in message
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"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:11mn7amq6rdg1c3@corp.supernews.com...
"Cato" <cato_the_stoic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1131125728.340747.91810@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
P Fritz wrote:
"3D Peruna" <w!h#a$r%o^l&d@w!e#i$r%d&n*e(s)s.com> wrote in message
news:AKLaf.243$Cw4.9@fe03.lga...
"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:11mn18ffcl3hof4@corp.supernews.com...
The Calcomp was are first plotter........it was cheap......but we
put
out
a
lot of prints with it before it died. Now we are running with a
designjet
430.......just had to have it repaired for the first time in 4-5
years.......the belt stretched and would not stay on track. The
repro
places prefer that we just send them plot files....they cansend
them
directly to their high speed machines, and not have to have
manpower
feeding in the individual sheets......our next big job will
probably
mean
the end of our diazo machine...........
We've been digitally sending files for a couple of years...we have
no
diazo
machine. Check plots are done in house, sets are done digitally at
the
repro desk. We have not missed the smell of ammonia wafting
through
the
office.
My partner still like to do the hand draw prelims and color up the
diazos..............sometimes you cannot teach an old dog.......
Sounds like a technique I learned while in school from a design partner
of a firm I was freelancing with at the time. We would do the
blackline prints which we underexposed (am I getting that right? It was
a long time ago), so our hardlined hand drawings were on very dark,
almost black/purple paper. We would then go back and trace with white
color pencil and other colors. We even did the poche in solid white
over this paper. It was time consuming, but made for some fantastic
presentation drawings. We would even color the plans this way, and add
black shadows after the base colors were down. It kind of gave a Beaux
Arts look to the drawings. I still have some in my old portfolio
because I liked them so much, and they had so much life to them.
That's too much work :-)
Most of the time it is just throwing a bit of marker on the
prints.......thre is something about the diazo paper....gives it a
certain
"look"
Its called *tooth*, the way the paper accepts the ink/pencil.
I'll always have a soft spot for vellum and blueprints, but I don't miss
em. |
Yeah, well I don't deal with it......I leave the artsy stuff up to my
partner.
In the mean time.........Tuesday I was dusting off the old
resume......things were looking that grim. Wednesday.......out of the
blue, a project that had been dead for 5 months came back to life.......the
intial work is only to get them through site plan approval, but they want to
break ground next spring..........200k s.f. office/industrial...........I
may need to bring the pillow and blankets back to the office if this plays
out....................feast of famine.....................
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P Fritz
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"Cato" <cato_the_stoic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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P Fritz wrote:
"3D Peruna" <w!h#a$r%o^l&d@w!e#i$r%d&n*e(s)s.com> wrote in message
news:AKLaf.243$Cw4.9@fe03.lga...
"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:11mn18ffcl3hof4@corp.supernews.com...
The Calcomp was are first plotter........it was cheap......but we
put
out
a
lot of prints with it before it died. Now we are running with a
designjet
430.......just had to have it repaired for the first time in 4-5
years.......the belt stretched and would not stay on track. The
repro
places prefer that we just send them plot files....they cansend them
directly to their high speed machines, and not have to have
manpower
feeding in the individual sheets......our next big job will probably
mean
the end of our diazo machine...........
We've been digitally sending files for a couple of years...we have no
diazo
machine. Check plots are done in house, sets are done digitally at
the
repro desk. We have not missed the smell of ammonia wafting through
the
office.
My partner still like to do the hand draw prelims and color up the
diazos..............sometimes you cannot teach an old dog.......
Sounds like a technique I learned while in school from a design partner
of a firm I was freelancing with at the time. We would do the
blackline prints which we underexposed (am I getting that right? It was
a long time ago), so our hardlined hand drawings were on very dark,
almost black/purple paper. We would then go back and trace with white
color pencil and other colors. We even did the poche in solid white
over this paper. It was time consuming, but made for some fantastic
presentation drawings. We would even color the plans this way, and add
black shadows after the base colors were down. It kind of gave a Beaux
Arts look to the drawings. I still have some in my old portfolio
because I liked them so much, and they had so much life to them.
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That's too much work :-)
Most of the time it is just throwing a bit of marker on the
prints.......thre is something about the diazo paper....gives it a certain
"look"
> |
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Don
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"Cato" <cato_the_stoic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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P Fritz wrote:
"3D Peruna" <w!h#a$r%o^l&d@w!e#i$r%d&n*e(s)s.com> wrote in message
news:AKLaf.243$Cw4.9@fe03.lga...
"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:11mn18ffcl3hof4@corp.supernews.com...
The Calcomp was are first plotter........it was cheap......but we put
out
a
lot of prints with it before it died. Now we are running with a
designjet
430.......just had to have it repaired for the first time in 4-5
years.......the belt stretched and would not stay on track. The
repro
places prefer that we just send them plot files....they cansend them
directly to their high speed machines, and not have to have manpower
feeding in the individual sheets......our next big job will probably
mean
the end of our diazo machine...........
We've been digitally sending files for a couple of years...we have no
diazo
machine. Check plots are done in house, sets are done digitally at the
repro desk. We have not missed the smell of ammonia wafting through
the
office.
My partner still like to do the hand draw prelims and color up the
diazos..............sometimes you cannot teach an old dog.......
Sounds like a technique I learned while in school from a design partner
of a firm I was freelancing with at the time. We would do the
blackline prints which we underexposed (am I getting that right? It was
a long time ago), so our hardlined hand drawings were on very dark,
almost black/purple paper. We would then go back and trace with white
color pencil and other colors. We even did the poche in solid white
over this paper. It was time consuming, but made for some fantastic
presentation drawings. We would even color the plans this way, and add
black shadows after the base colors were down. It kind of gave a Beaux
Arts look to the drawings. I still have some in my old portfolio
because I liked them so much, and they had so much life to them.
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I used to use colored pencils and markers on the backside of my vellums to
create different tones of blue on the blueprints.
You have to play around with the various colors to get the desired result.
One of the darkest colors on the blueprints was yellow marker amazingly
enough. |
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Cato
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Hp designjjet 2500 |
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| Quote: | I've had the same problem. It's probably because they are 6 six rather
than the four color printers. Wasn't the 750 a four color? I haven't
seen one in a while, but I think it was purely a CMYK printer. Am I
remembering correctly? We have an older 1050 and a newer 5500 42" that
are both 6 color, and I personally find the colors less "pleasing" than
the older four color inkjets. Everything seems a bit more desaturated.
Too much of a good thing?
A few things to be aware of...
1) Check the color profile of the image. Photoshop is good for this.
Getting this right makes a world of difference. It's also one of the most
annoyinging difficult things to do this.
2) Verify that you have current drivers (a "duh" but you'd be surprised).
3) Check with HPs site on the customer help forums, if you haven't already.
Somebody has probably had your problem and a solution has probably been
suggested. Getting your search terms correct is tough because most posters
are idiots and don't put anything useful in the subject line.
4) Sometimes changing your image from RGB to CMYK makes a difference.
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I've gone through many of the things you've described above.
I went into our print room today, and realized I had confused our 5500
with the 1050 and the older 750 I used long ago. The 1050 is a CMYK
printer and the 5500 is the six color printer (with pink and baby blue
being the two additional colors). I was confusing myself in my first
post, and the difference between the two printers can be noticable. I
still prefer the older 1050 because I had my screen configured in
Photoshop (if I'm using the proper terminology) a long time ago and I
know what I'm going to get with this printer. The new one will
definintely lighten up things with the addition of these extra colors.
Especially if you've done any color gradients in Photoshop (i.e. a sky)
It's usually not a big deal, but becomes noticeable when we are
printing out a large presentation on both printers at the same time due
to time constraints. When you put the two prints up next to each other
on a wall you can definitely see the difference. We usually try an
limit any large printing to one printer or the other, but sometimes you
don't have the choice when your standing around waiting to head to the
airport and your team is still printing. Better slightly mismatched
prints, than no print at all. ;-) |
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Cato
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P Fritz wrote:
| Quote: | "3D Peruna" <w!h#a$r%o^l&d@w!e#i$r%d&n*e(s)s.com> wrote in message
news:AKLaf.243$Cw4.9@fe03.lga...
"P Fritz" <paulfritzNOSPAMFORME@voyager.net> wrote in message
news:11mn18ffcl3hof4@corp.supernews.com...
The Calcomp was are first plotter........it was cheap......but we put
out
a
lot of prints with it before it died. Now we are running with a
designjet
430.......just had to have it repaired for the first time in 4-5
years.......the belt stretched and would not stay on track. The repro
places prefer that we just send them plot files....they cansend them
directly to their high speed machines, and not have to have manpower
feeding in the individual sheets......our next big job will probably
mean
the end of our diazo machine...........
We've been digitally sending files for a couple of years...we have no
diazo
machine. Check plots are done in house, sets are done digitally at the
repro desk. We have not missed the smell of ammonia wafting through the
office.
My partner still like to do the hand draw prelims and color up the
diazos..............sometimes you cannot teach an old dog.......
|
Sounds like a technique I learned while in school from a design partner
of a firm I was freelancing with at the time. We would do the
blackline prints which we underexposed (am I getting that right? It was
a long time ago), so our hardlined hand drawings were on very dark,
almost black/purple paper. We would then go back and trace with white
color pencil and other colors. We even did the poche in solid white
over this paper. It was time consuming, but made for some fantastic
presentation drawings. We would even color the plans this way, and add
black shadows after the base colors were down. It kind of gave a Beaux
Arts look to the drawings. I still have some in my old portfolio
because I liked them so much, and they had so much life to them. |
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