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longshot
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I'll wager that he's a "keyboard" guy as opposed to a "button" guy.
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there are a buttons?
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longshot
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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Personally its not how fast but how accurate. No point on doing it in 3
minutes if the answer is wrong, take 5 and be right.
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those 2.5 minutes included pulling dimensions to check my work.
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someone did point out that configuration is a huge factor,, & that is true.
if i didnt have all my aliases configured & my settings in place .it would
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longshot
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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I gather that AutoCad may be low-end entry-level still. Cheap
enough for the trade schools to use, anyway.
Last I looked at it (Rev. 10) it could not even model the
average cheap-o ashtray.
On the good side: You could pretty much learn it all in two hours,
as compared to possible years for the better systems of the day.
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One would have to try very seriously to be further off the mark!
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Michael Bulatovich
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:10 am Post subject:
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"longshot" <longshot@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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I'll wager that he's a "keyboard" guy as opposed to a "button" guy.
there are a buttons?
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Modat22
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:00:07 GMT, "S. Scalise"
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| Quote: | To "button" or not to "button"?
Answer 1. Yes, why not?
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I don't button, but if it makes you faster go for it
| Quote: | Answer 2. No, why bother?
Answer 3. Only new people that don't know what they are doing use "buttons".
Answer 4. Only oldtimers stuck in the past still rely on the keyboard.
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I prefer the keyboard with my own aliases and or lisp commands
| Quote: | Answer 5. Buttons slow you down.
Answer 6. The keyboard slows you down.
Answer 7. On & on.
Another topic, another day. This thread is too long now.
"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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"longshot" <longshot@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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I'll wager that he's a "keyboard" guy as opposed to a "button" guy.
there are a buttons?
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Longshot
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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people aways told me.. Man you are so fast.. if you would only leanr how to
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S. Scalise
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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To "button" or not to "button"?
Answer 1. Yes, why not?
Answer 2. No, why bother?
Answer 3. Only new people that don't know what they are doing use "buttons".
Answer 4. Only oldtimers stuck in the past still rely on the keyboard.
Answer 5. Buttons slow you down.
Answer 6. The keyboard slows you down.
Answer 7. On & on.
Another topic, another day. This thread is too long now.
"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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"longshot" <longshot@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
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I'll wager that he's a "keyboard" guy as opposed to a "button" guy.
there are a buttons?
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Brian
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Tue Nov 15, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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zion9 wrote:
| Quote: | If you are thinking about going to school for a Drafting Degree then
RUN!
Drafters draw blueprints and engineers design them. The current
problem is that somehow Drafting and Designing have become synonymous
terms. It used to be that a Drafter would draw blueprints from an
engineer's/architect's verbal instructions and/or the
engineer's/architect's sketches. Now the Drafter is supposed to know
what took an engineer/architect 4+ years to learn. If the Drafter
cannot "pick it up" what took the engineers/architects 4+ years to
learn then they throw you out the back door on your face in the gravel.
Also, Engineers or Architects are refusing to take time to train
Drafters. They say that they don't have time or go grab a book off of
the shelf and figure it out.
A two-year Associate Degree in Drafting WILL NOT prepare you to be an
engineer and do an engineer's job!
I have not designed (like an engineer) commercial buildings or other
engineering projects, but I did draw them by verbal instruction,
engineering sketches and blueprints.
My Computer Aided Drafting degree, basically, prepared me to draw
blueprints using AutoCAD software. Unfortunately, the local Drafting
courses in Kentucky, the Two-Year Drafting programs, do not prepare you
to do engineering design work (what engineers due with a 4+ year
degree).
Typically, all students come out ready to draw blueprints, as Drafters
have always done in the past, but not design without a Bachelors degree
like an engineer is trained to do.
Today, for the modern Drafter, it is turning into the old catch 22
you-need-experience situation. No one has time or is willing to train
yet they demand experience. Furthermore, if you can't "pick up" what
took engineers four years to learn in a year or; in most cases, thirty
days or less then they will lay you off and insult you by saying you
couldn't catch on fast enough. So what is the Drafter left to do?
A downside for the engineer in today's modern engineering office is
that they are expected to spend all of their time drafting while they
could, more productively, spend their time dealing with public
relations and engineering design. Also, most architects and engineers
that I have spoken with have a weak background in CAD and take only a
couple of classes in Drafting during their college education.
Lastly, as stated in my objective, I am looking for a company who is
flexible and willing to train for non-Drafting engineer Design tasks.
The former title for my past experience would be a "CAD
Detailer/Drafter". I have drawn blueprints, as I was prepared to do by
my two-year Associate Degree, but I have not "designed" as one who is
"trained" by an architectural or engineering firm.
Currently, I have been out of a Drafting position for over 2 years
because engineering firms have become too "picky" and want something
for nothing. I guess it time for me to move on and realize that
Drafting is a dead field.
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Where I work (petro-chemical), we get fresh engineers from university
each year. They get a quick course on AutoCad, and get thrown in at the
deep end. Sink or swim....
The engineers aren't expected to do all the detail work, just the
overall design, so there will always be a job for drafties. It is NOT
the drafties job to design....sure, once youv'e been at the job for a
while you learn the basics and could get away with designing, but as
everything needs to be signed off, it's not worth it.
It makes life easier for me as the engineers notes/sketches etc. are in
the computer and easy to access.
Drafting is a long way from being dead....As long as engineers are paid
more than drafties, there will always be details that need sorting out.
The same goes for architects and drafties...the is a huge gap between
'concept' drawings and 'construction' drawings.
Move down to NZ where there is a shortage of drafties, and you will find
that employers are still 'picky'. It's not a glamorous job, but it's
still important. You can have the cleverest engineer/design team in the
world, but if the draftie stuffs it up, it gets built wrong! ("It was
the checkers fault.....")
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uNkulunkulu
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Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:
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"Brian" <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote in message
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| Quote: | zion9 wrote:
If you are thinking about going to school for a Drafting Degree then
RUN!
Drafters draw blueprints and engineers design them. The current
problem is that somehow Drafting and Designing have become synonymous
terms. It used to be that a Drafter would draw blueprints from an
engineer's/architect's verbal instructions and/or the
engineer's/architect's sketches. Now the Drafter is supposed to know
what took an engineer/architect 4+ years to learn. If the Drafter
cannot "pick it up" what took the engineers/architects 4+ years to
learn then they throw you out the back door on your face in the gravel.
Also, Engineers or Architects are refusing to take time to train
Drafters. They say that they don't have time or go grab a book off of
the shelf and figure it out.
A two-year Associate Degree in Drafting WILL NOT prepare you to be an
engineer and do an engineer's job!
I have not designed (like an engineer) commercial buildings or other
engineering projects, but I did draw them by verbal instruction,
engineering sketches and blueprints.
My Computer Aided Drafting degree, basically, prepared me to draw
blueprints using AutoCAD software. Unfortunately, the local Drafting
courses in Kentucky, the Two-Year Drafting programs, do not prepare you
to do engineering design work (what engineers due with a 4+ year
degree).
Typically, all students come out ready to draw blueprints, as Drafters
have always done in the past, but not design without a Bachelors degree
like an engineer is trained to do.
Today, for the modern Drafter, it is turning into the old catch 22
you-need-experience situation. No one has time or is willing to train
yet they demand experience. Furthermore, if you can't "pick up" what
took engineers four years to learn in a year or; in most cases, thirty
days or less then they will lay you off and insult you by saying you
couldn't catch on fast enough. So what is the Drafter left to do?
A downside for the engineer in today's modern engineering office is
that they are expected to spend all of their time drafting while they
could, more productively, spend their time dealing with public
relations and engineering design. Also, most architects and engineers
that I have spoken with have a weak background in CAD and take only a
couple of classes in Drafting during their college education.
Lastly, as stated in my objective, I am looking for a company who is
flexible and willing to train for non-Drafting engineer Design tasks.
The former title for my past experience would be a "CAD
Detailer/Drafter". I have drawn blueprints, as I was prepared to do by
my two-year Associate Degree, but I have not "designed" as one who is
"trained" by an architectural or engineering firm.
Currently, I have been out of a Drafting position for over 2 years
because engineering firms have become too "picky" and want something
for nothing. I guess it time for me to move on and realize that
Drafting is a dead field.
Where I work (petro-chemical), we get fresh engineers from university each
year. They get a quick course on AutoCad, and get thrown in at the deep
end. Sink or swim....
The engineers aren't expected to do all the detail work, just the overall
design, so there will always be a job for drafties. It is NOT the drafties
job to design....sure, once youv'e been at the job for a while you learn
the basics and could get away with designing, but as everything needs to
be signed off, it's not worth it.
It makes life easier for me as the engineers notes/sketches etc. are in
the computer and easy to access.
Drafting is a long way from being dead....As long as engineers are paid
more than drafties, there will always be details that need sorting out.
The same goes for architects and drafties...the is a huge gap between
'concept' drawings and 'construction' drawings.
Move down to NZ where there is a shortage of drafties, and you will find
that employers are still 'picky'. It's not a glamorous job, but it's still
important. You can have the cleverest engineer/design team in the world,
but if the draftie stuffs it up, it gets built wrong! ("It was the
checkers fault.....")
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How easy is it to get into New Zealand? |
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Brian
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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uNkulunkulu wrote:
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How easy is it to get into New Zealand?
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If you can speak (passable) English and have ANY skills, there shouldn't
be any problems. The more skilled people we can get down here, the better.
http://www.emigratenz.org/
Check these guys out, they cover most questions.
Brian NZ |
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Cliff
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:08 +1300, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
| Quote: | uNkulunkulu wrote:
How easy is it to get into New Zealand?
If you can speak (passable) English and have ANY skills, there shouldn't
be any problems. The more skilled people we can get down here, the better.
http://www.emigratenz.org/
Check these guys out, they cover most questions.
Brian NZ
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I was under the impression that it was about as hard as Australia
.... which is hard, having worked there (on contract).
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Brian
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Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
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Cliff wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:55:08 +1300, Brian <briank@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
uNkulunkulu wrote:
How easy is it to get into New Zealand?
If you can speak (passable) English and have ANY skills, there shouldn't
be any problems. The more skilled people we can get down here, the better.
http://www.emigratenz.org/
Check these guys out, they cover most questions.
Brian NZ
I was under the impression that it was about as hard as Australia
... which is hard, having worked there (on contract).
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No way! NZ wants/needs immigrants to help the country grow. Especially
skilled workers.
C'mon down, the weathers great...nothing that can bite/harm you in the
wild and a relaxing lifestyle (if you avoid the bigger cities......)
Brian NZ |
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