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Scott · Guest

Hello,

I survey properties and currently draw out the basic floor plans by hand
on graph paper, showing walls, doors, windows, toilets, etc. - nothing
complex. Could anybody recommend a freeware tool that I could possibly
download and use?

Thanks

clintonG · Guest

I've done a lot of architecturals myself. Having used AutoCrap since day one
I can tell you AutoPimp's products are over-priced crippleware garbage. What
I recommend for floor planning property surveys is the use of an inexpensive
program such as 3D Home Architect (3DHA). There are programs in the under
$80 category that can be used to rapidly produce professional 2D or 3D
results that will detail and dimension accurately enough to obtain building
permits and get stamped by an architect or engineer if neccessary.
Furthermore I taught my 10 year old nephew how to use 3D Home Architect in 5
minutes. Honestly, 3DHA was that easy to learn and use.

Here is the 'gotcha' though. Its a long story I'd be happy to explain if
you'd like to talk mano-a-mano which is something I'd like to do myself as I
have some questions you might help me answer but the short explanation as
told to me is the apparent fact that while 3DHA was the best choice at one
point in time I've been told it is no longer being developed by the same
group of programmers and the new group has turned it into ca-ca when
compared to another product in the same category which was said to now be
the better choice. I haven't been using 3DHA for many years now so I can't
honestly say either way but I can say with all certainty this is the
category of software you want to take seriously. I've done a quick Google
search [1] for you and suggest you read through results to get insights into
what this category of CAD can do for you.

Contact me with Floor Plans as the subject and send me your # and I'll give
you a call.

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Scott · Guest

er, right - very helpful.

Marc Clamage wrote:

Marc Clamage · Guest

No, these guys are full of baloney. You need the full Architectural Desktop
2006. It will only set you back about $4,000. Then you also need the
Autodesk Land Surveying package, plus 3D Studio so you can work in 3D. The
total cost should be only around $12,000. Plus, you'll need to upgrade every
time AutoDesk rolls out a new release--in other words, every year. With all
three packages, it should be a paltry $1,500 or so annually to keep your
licenses up to date. Of course, you're going to need a top-of-the-line
computer to run all this--the latest AutoDesk products require a minimum of
one gig of memory. Shouldn't cost you more than $3,000. You'll need a
plotter too, to output full-size drawings. HP makes a nice one for about
$20,000. Then you'll need to take classes in order to use all these
incredibly and unnecessarily complex tools. Plan on taking a year off from
work to get all your skills up to snuff.

Or you could stick to graph paper.

:) Marc

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CW · Guest

There are quite a few good choices. One that I think you might like
(specially the price) is Qcad. Do a Google search. It is a free download.
Quite good.

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clintonG · Guest

In the states we have this thing called fascism. Canadians have also lost
their freedoms and liberties to fascists; the melding of corporate interests
and government until the two become indistinguishable. They wave the flag a
lot and tell us God wants it this way.

Yes, it is against the law to draw a picture of a toilet in the US too.

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Political opinions aside, the FACT remains that in my jurisdiction
architects cannot just stamp drawings created by others. This may be unique
to Ontario, or not. I just want to advise the OP that he should check into
the claim you made and its applicability in his jurisdiction.
--

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clintonG · Guest

In the states plan stamping is common and the fascists always create a
loophole in the law so the fascists can arbitrarily determine who is going
to be a criminal and who is not. That's how fascism works as it is all about
who the fascists determine can and who can not work so they can control who
earns the money.

Thus, in the US, any drawing that is 'supervised' by a government agent can
be stamped by the agent given his or her interest in doing so. That interest
is financial.

This is also how the need for architectural and engineering drawings are now
being outsourced to Hadji in India who has stolen AutoCrap and uses it to
undermine the costs of labor in the US. I have to presume the same is
occurring throughout Canada whose people have also lost their freedoms and
liberties to fascism.

Of course this is always made to sound as if it is an opinion by government
agents who do not want the truth and the facts disclosed and discussed but
do I have to go to the extent to remind you I was already working in the
construction industry when you were still in diapers? I think I learned
something along the way.

Anyhow, all I said and was trying to convey was the category of software
that I am referring to is sufficient to produce drawings that a government
agent could and would stamp if necessary. Some of the inexpensive CAD
programs do poorly in dimensioning for example and introduce risk a
government agent may not want to take responsibility for when the money is
not sufficient motivation to plan stamp as 'supervisors.'

Furthermore, the fascists may not grant a building permit if the drawings do
not meet their 'specifications' which I note are not even published anywhere
which is why most citizens are forced to pay off a government agent even
when no stamp may be required for a given type of construction.

And finally, we have a saying here in the states, "you can't bullsh!t and
old bullsh!tter" and it was you that extrapolated simple comments about the
quality of inexpensive software into the realm of the political context not
me but it has been a pleasure responding regardless.

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clintonG · Guest

<snip />

He had me ROFL.

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