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CW
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:03 am Post subject:
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Yes, I agree and highly recommend it. A bit more complicated to learn than
my previous suggestion of Qcad but far more powerful also. It was still
available for download as of a few days ago.
"80/20" <sw@bewdleydotbydotthedotriver.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Scott,
Try doing a search for ProgeCAD LT 2006 - it was free when I got it
earlier,
but it may have changed to a cost option by now.
It does everything that I need, including having the ability to take in
full
AutoCAD drawings.
Good luck
Steve
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clintonG
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:10 am Post subject:
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I have sufficient experience working on architectural and engineering
projects to know about building and zoning codes.
In the State of Wisconsin private sector government agents must be paid for
any residential projects larger than two family and any commercial project
larger than 50,000 CF. As I recall recently being told by a public sector
government agent, Wisconsin's regulations apparently coincide with the
adoption of the International Building Codes & International Residential
Codes you refer to as most if not all states have already adopted those
codes as the sovereignity of our nation continues to be surrendered to the
new world odor globalists.
I must acknowledge then my written comments that precede this reply were not
well conveyed and were misleading as there are in fact regulations that can
and do specify how drawings must be drawn.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
"Bob Morrison" <bob@ _remove_rlmorrisonengr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In a previous post clintonG wrote...
Furthermore, the fascists may not grant a building permit if the drawings
do
not meet their 'specifications' which I note are not even published
anywhere
which is why most citizens are forced to pay off a government agent even
when no stamp may be required for a given type of construction.
Clinton:
The "specifications" as you call them are indeed published. They are
called the building and zoning codes.
BTW, many jurisdictions do not require an architect's or engineer's seal
on the drawings for single family residences or other types of buildings
unless they are more than 4000 sq.ft.
That has changed somewhat with the adoption of the IBC and IRC codes which
now contain prescriptive requirements which must be met if you do not want
to provide calculations prepared by a licensed professional.
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Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA |
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Marc Clamage
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:10 am Post subject:
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I dunno. I work in the People's Republic of Massachusetts (props to
Clinton), which is about as Code-ridden a state you can imagine (new
buildings have to be earthquake-proof, an event about as likely as the
glaciers returning) and I've been at several firms where they kept "pet"
registered architects on staff just to stamp the drawings. Not that they sat
around doing nothing, of course, but they sure as hell weren't allowed to
design anything. At one of my early jobs it was my duty to forge the boss'
initials over the architectural stamps--he couldn't be bothered.
Marc
"Bob Morrison" <bob@ _remove_rlmorrisonengr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In a previous post Michael Bulatovich wrote...
Political opinions aside, the FACT remains that in my jurisdiction
architects cannot just stamp drawings created by others. This may be
unique
to Ontario, or not. I just want to advise the OP that he should check
into
the claim you made and its applicability in his jurisdiction.
Michael:
Your observation is true is almost all jurisdictions and applies to both
architects and engineers. The operative language is usually some variant
of "documents must be prepared under the direct supervision of the
architect or engineer."
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Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA |
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Michael Bulatovich
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
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I was using conditional language out of caution. Something my
fascist masters expect of me ; )
I know that this is typical in "advanced" fascist countries.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
"Bob Morrison" <bob@ _remove_rlmorrisonengr.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In a previous post Michael Bulatovich wrote...
Political opinions aside, the FACT remains that in my jurisdiction
architects cannot just stamp drawings created by others. This may be
unique
to Ontario, or not. I just want to advise the OP that he should check
into
the claim you made and its applicability in his jurisdiction.
Michael:
Your observation is true is almost all jurisdictions and applies to both
architects and engineers. The operative language is usually some variant
of "documents must be prepared under the direct supervision of the
architect or engineer."
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA |
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clintonG
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
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Thank you for acknowledging the problem exists Marc.
<%= Clinton Gallagher
"Marc Clamage" <emasary@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I dunno. I work in the People's Republic of Massachusetts (props to
Clinton), which is about as Code-ridden a state you can imagine (new
buildings have to be earthquake-proof, an event about as likely as the
glaciers returning) and I've been at several firms where they kept "pet"
registered architects on staff just to stamp the drawings. Not that they
sat around doing nothing, of course, but they sure as hell weren't allowed
to design anything. At one of my early jobs it was my duty to forge the
boss' initials over the architectural stamps--he couldn't be bothered.
Marc
"Bob Morrison" <bob@ _remove_rlmorrisonengr.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1da5c5542eb1b9f09899b8@news.west.earthlink.net...
In a previous post Michael Bulatovich wrote...
Political opinions aside, the FACT remains that in my jurisdiction
architects cannot just stamp drawings created by others. This may be
unique
to Ontario, or not. I just want to advise the OP that he should check
into
the claim you made and its applicability in his jurisdiction.
Michael:
Your observation is true is almost all jurisdictions and applies to both
architects and engineers. The operative language is usually some variant
of "documents must be prepared under the direct supervision of the
architect or engineer."
--
Bob Morrison, PE, SE
R L Morrison Engineering Co
Structural & Civil Engineering
Poulsbo WA
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Brian
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Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
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Marc Clamage wrote:
| Quote: | I dunno. I work in the People's Republic of Massachusetts (props to
Clinton), which is about as Code-ridden a state you can imagine (new
buildings have to be earthquake-proof, an event about as likely as the
glaciers returning) and I've been at several firms where they kept "pet"
registered architects on staff just to stamp the drawings. Not that they sat
around doing nothing, of course, but they sure as hell weren't allowed to
design anything. At one of my early jobs it was my duty to forge the boss'
initials over the architectural stamps--he couldn't be bothered.
Marc
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I work in the socialist paradise of New Zealand, and all this stamping
and registering of interested parties is just starting to creep in. I
have no problem with the new building codes, but with the way they are
being used to collect revenue for local councils. The new regs. have
added approx. 12 % to the cost of a new building for no added service,
and in the near future I am going to have to become a registered drafty.
No tests to make sure I know what I'm doing, just a fee to to be paid
each year. At the moment, I don't need an archtect/designer to sign off
my work, as long as it meets the building standard. I laughed at the
'forging' comment.....I have seen this happen many times when drawings
need to be out the door NOW!....use different pens and your left hand
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Happy Trails
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:35:30 GMT, "clintonG"
<csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote:
| Quote: | This is also how the need for architectural and engineering drawings are now
being outsourced to Hadji in India
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Clint
You may know a lot about buildings/autocad etc (who reads past the
rants?), but you don't know shit about either the geographic or the
religious world. Your ignorance is amply displayed in your puerile
attempt at a racial slur.
"Hadji" (sic) is a religious honorific term given to a muslim who has
completed his pilgrimage to Mecca.
The majority of the population of India is not muslim - the muslims
mostly got split off into a different country - Pakistan - when the
Brits magnanomously gave India back to the Indians.
Those remaining in India are Sikhs (as in Mr. Singh), or Tamils (the
black ones mostly in the south), and a variety of Punjabis,
Malayalees, Assamese, etc etc etc.
You'd do better to refer to this work as being farmed out to Rajiv in
Bangalore.
Just my 2 rupees worth !
Tom
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CW
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
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"Happy Trails" <undisclosed@obscure.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:35:30 GMT, "clintonG"
csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote:
This is also how the need for architectural and engineering drawings are
now
being outsourced to Hadji in India
Clint
You may know a lot about buildings/autocad etc (who reads past the
rants?), but you don't know shit about the
religious world.
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He probably doesn't give a shit. Neither do I. They can worship dogs butts
for all I care (and it will do them just about as much good). |
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clintonG
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:25 am Post subject:
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<snip />
Hey Mr. head stuck up his @ss you are twisting history around the way Jews
and US Negros try to do. The British didn't give India back to anybody. The
piece of sh!t Winston Churchill was compelled to quit beating, raping, and
murdering the Indian people only because Ghandi had everybody sit on their
@ss and refuse to work which culminated at the exact point in time when
Hitler began bombing Little Jerusalem (London) forcing Churchill to drag his
sorry @ss troops out of India to try to save London for his Masonic jewish
masters. Nothing magnaminous about it. Like most acts of the filth of the
world history has remade into some kind of hero Churchill's acts were
self-serving and the result of orders from the jews he served.
Why were the Jews Hitler's targets? Because those we think we know as jews
are not Jews, they are an evil people actually Kazars (sp) that murdered
millions of Germans both directly and by proxy before, during, and
immediately after WWI. Mr. head stuck up his @ss needs to wake up and
understand Bush and his jew administration are not in Iraq to bring freedom
they are in Iraq to bring the anti-christ to power who will terrorize the
entire planet for a few years while 'ruling' from Jerusalem.
Furthermore, for the sake of Mr. head stuck up his @ss and all who may be
reading what is likely a big waste of my time the nation we call India has
historically been comprised of two dominant religious groups and several in
the minority; Hindu (dominant majority of the population), Muslims
(significant in numbers of population with less control of their own affairs
due to Hindu persecution) and Christians (a scarce minority) who were and
remain persecuted unto death by both Hindus and Muslims who continue to do
so to this very day.
The Hindus and the Muslims fought bitter bloody battles against one another
for centuries and segregated themeselves from one another on numerous
occassions. The finality of the most recent separation in these contemporary
times being manifested in the forming of the nation we know as Pakistan and
again, only because the piece of sh!t Winston Churchill was compelled to
withdraw his troops to defend the jews who controlled London the same way
the stinking rat bastards now control the US.
In addition Mr. head stuck up his @ss, I really don't know half as much
about design and construction as I would like as it is a lifelong pursuit
but I can tell you that using the term Hadji is no different to me than
using the term John Doe to describe an anonymous person who is a member of a
group. Mr. head stuck up his @ss is not likely to accept that as he is
likely a Caucasian that has been taught by his jewish masters to hate his
own race and project his hate of himself onto others. Listen up Mr. head
stuck up your @ss. The truth shall set you free. Try it sometime.
Finally, as far as I'm concerned, I use the term Hadji in the general sense
to refer to an anonymous Indian male and began doing so because I was and
remain a big fan of Hadji who was the brainy sidekick of Johnny Quest [1].
Sim sim sala bim!
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
[1] http://www.classicjq.com/info/JQTeam.shtml#hadji |
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Marc Clamage
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:
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Hey Clinton, you're nuts!
"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | snip /
Hey Mr. head stuck up his @ss you are twisting history around the way Jews
and US Negros try to do. The British didn't give India back to anybody.
The piece of sh!t Winston Churchill was compelled to quit beating, raping,
and murdering the Indian people only because Ghandi had everybody sit on
their @ss and refuse to work which culminated at the exact point in time
when Hitler began bombing Little Jerusalem (London) forcing Churchill to
drag his sorry @ss troops out of India to try to save London for his
Masonic jewish masters. Nothing magnaminous about it. Like most acts of
the filth of the world history has remade into some kind of hero
Churchill's acts were self-serving and the result of orders from the jews
he served.
Why were the Jews Hitler's targets? Because those we think we know as jews
are not Jews, they are an evil people actually Kazars (sp) that murdered
millions of Germans both directly and by proxy before, during, and
immediately after WWI. Mr. head stuck up his @ss needs to wake up and
understand Bush and his jew administration are not in Iraq to bring
freedom they are in Iraq to bring the anti-christ to power who will
terrorize the entire planet for a few years while 'ruling' from Jerusalem.
Furthermore, for the sake of Mr. head stuck up his @ss and all who may be
reading what is likely a big waste of my time the nation we call India has
historically been comprised of two dominant religious groups and several
in the minority; Hindu (dominant majority of the population), Muslims
(significant in numbers of population with less control of their own
affairs due to Hindu persecution) and Christians (a scarce minority) who
were and remain persecuted unto death by both Hindus and Muslims who
continue to do so to this very day.
The Hindus and the Muslims fought bitter bloody battles against one
another for centuries and segregated themeselves from one another on
numerous occassions. The finality of the most recent separation in these
contemporary times being manifested in the forming of the nation we know
as Pakistan and again, only because the piece of sh!t Winston Churchill
was compelled to withdraw his troops to defend the jews who controlled
London the same way the stinking rat bastards now control the US.
In addition Mr. head stuck up his @ss, I really don't know half as much
about design and construction as I would like as it is a lifelong pursuit
but I can tell you that using the term Hadji is no different to me than
using the term John Doe to describe an anonymous person who is a member of
a group. Mr. head stuck up his @ss is not likely to accept that as he is
likely a Caucasian that has been taught by his jewish masters to hate his
own race and project his hate of himself onto others. Listen up Mr. head
stuck up your @ss. The truth shall set you free. Try it sometime.
Finally, as far as I'm concerned, I use the term Hadji in the general
sense to refer to an anonymous Indian male and began doing so because I
was and remain a big fan of Hadji who was the brainy sidekick of Johnny
Quest [1].
Sim sim sala bim!
%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee (sm) "A Regional Information Service"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://metromilwaukee.com/
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
[1] http://www.classicjq.com/info/JQTeam.shtml#hadji
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Happy Trails
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:58:58 -0400, "Marc Clamage"
<emasary@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Hey Clinton, you're nuts!
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Seriously whacko, white-sheeted, blow-up-a-federal-building nuts !
Happy Trails To You |
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Michael Bulatovich
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject:
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Yeah. He thinks I'M working for fascists.
<plonk>
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
"Happy Trails" <undisclosed@obscure.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 22:58:58 -0400, "Marc Clamage"
emasary@comcast.net> wrote:
Hey Clinton, you're nuts!
Seriously whacko, white-sheeted, blow-up-a-federal-building nuts !
Happy Trails To You |
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mamengineer
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
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clintonG <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> spewed incessantly:
| Quote: | Hey Mr. head stuck up his @ss you are twisting history around the way
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You are a fucking Moron Gayllagherl. You are the lowest form of life in
existence today. Why do you live to perpetuate hate so? |
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Marc Valade
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:
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You piece of crap.
Ontarians have not lost their freedoms to fascists you asshole. I'm prolly
more free than you shithead, because of the way you think.
I'm glad you posted in here, now I can really say what I think about you,
because I can't over in the AutoDesk groups.
Shithead.
"clintonG" <csgallagher@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In the states we have this thing called fascism. Canadians have also lost
their freedoms and liberties to fascists; the melding of corporate
interests and government until the two become indistinguishable. They wave
the flag a lot and tell us God wants it this way.
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Marc Valade
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:
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Give IntelliCAD a try. It's cheaper than AutoCAD and does mostly what
AutoCAD will do.
Marc
"Scott" <scott@scott.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello,
I survey properties and currently draw out the basic floor plans by hand
on graph paper, showing walls, doors, windows, toilets, etc. - nothing
complex. Could anybody recommend a freeware tool that I could possibly
download and use?
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