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David
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Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:55 pm Post subject:
Layers and XRefs |
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Dear Group,
I would appreciate some help...
I am working on a 2 storey building, combining my model with an Xref for
each floor.
The Xrefs are big files with loads of layers. I think my drawing would be
simpler if I could reduce the XRefs to one or two layers each before using
them. How can I do this??
Also, is there a way to "switch off" an Xref temporarily in the same way as
you can with an individual layer??
Thanks in advance
David
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Happy Trails
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Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:01:19 -0400, "Michael Bulatovich"
<Please@dont.try> wrote:
| Quote: | Different versions have different capabilities concerning XREFs.
Unloading an XREF prevents it form being displayed and should speed things
up considerably.
Look into VISRETAIN in the help. Once you have your XREF layer setup you can
have it persist from session to session.
I you need a few combinations, Layer Manager, or whatever their now calling
it, can simplify toggling the layer states.
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Layer manager seems to allow you to make up different lists of layers,
then you can select by listname what you want displayed. I say "seems
to" because I fooled around a lot with layer manager yesterday but did
not actually try this function. It is in there though (Acad 2005).
- Tom
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Michael Bulatovich
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Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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Different versions have different capabilities concerning XREFs.
Unloading an XREF prevents it form being displayed and should speed things
up considerably.
Look into VISRETAIN in the help. Once you have your XREF layer setup you can
have it persist from session to session.
I you need a few combinations, Layer Manager, or whatever their now calling
it, can simplify toggling the layer states.
--
MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
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MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca
"David" <davidcfrankAPPLE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Dear Group,
I would appreciate some help...
I am working on a 2 storey building, combining my model with an Xref for
each floor.
The Xrefs are big files with loads of layers. I think my drawing would be
simpler if I could reduce the XRefs to one or two layers each before using
them. How can I do this??
Also, is there a way to "switch off" an Xref temporarily in the same way
as you can with an individual layer??
Thanks in advance
David
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Happy Trails
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:24:24 -0400, Jerry G <ustrus@ustrus.com> wrote:
| Quote: | IF YOU START USING LAYER FILTERS YOU WILL MAKE A LOT OF ENEMIES WHEN YOU
SHARE THE FILES
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Love that upper case - reminds me of the olden days of teletype
machines.
In my case I'm always the sharee, not the sharer.
Layer filters are very useful (which is why they were invented, I
guess) for making up different "models" required for different
purposes.
From most of the drawings I get to work on, I need to use about 10-20
layers each to make up a grading model from which I will make several
dtm's, linework for the bulldozer computer, different linework for the
field computer used by the surveyor for layout, different linework for
the calibration of a site, etc etc etc.
It is really useful to be able to switch among several different sets
of layers using a list for this.
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Jerry G
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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Happy Trails wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 10:01:19 -0400, "Michael Bulatovich"
Please@dont.try> wrote:
Different versions have different capabilities concerning XREFs.
Unloading an XREF prevents it form being displayed and should speed things
up considerably.
Look into VISRETAIN in the help. Once you have your XREF layer setup you can
have it persist from session to session.
I you need a few combinations, Layer Manager, or whatever their now calling
it, can simplify toggling the layer states.
--
Layer manager seems to allow you to make up different lists of layers,
then you can select by listname what you want displayed. I say "seems
to" because I fooled around a lot with layer manager yesterday but did
not actually try this function. It is in there though (Acad 2005).
- Tom
Happy Trails To You
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Jerry G
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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Sorry about the upper case. I capslock for drawings, and forgot to turn
it off. When I realized it was on, I didn't change it because I really
felt like shouting how much I hate those filters.
One of the biggest problems I have in my job is the acquisition of
files from architects that have a zillion layer filters (many the same
filter with different names) because of the interchange of files between
users, some different operators in the architects office, some engineers
working with multiple architects' files.
Unfortunately simple purging doesn't remove the filters and the layer
filters act like a virus, contaminating files every time someone
modifies the file with an insertion. The removal process built into
autocad is very slow and in some versions of autocad will lock up the
software for an extended period of time. A file that should be small
(perhaps a simple detail and title block) in the range of a 1-2 hundred
kilobytes turns into a monster of 1-2 Megabytes. Email transfers become
a significant issue, and I have to strip out the filters because I may
extract the detail for use on the relevant job, resulting in new files
acquiring the undesired filters.
If you routinely strip the filters before forwarding the file, or never
forward your files, the issue is moot, however the majority of filter
users are not that careful, and many of the recipients are unaware of
the existence of the filters, thereby spreading this problem. In fact
one architect I know actually was suffering through the common crashes
of autocad LT caused by layer filters while I was on the phone with him
and I recognized the symptom as being the same one I had seen before I
knew about layer filters (I'm a self-taught cad user having only used
the small cursory instruction book packaged with the software, and
forums like this to learn autocad.) He jokingly asked if I had hidden a
camera in his office since I explained the cause and cure so readily
without even being there.
Happy Trails wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:24:24 -0400, Jerry G <ustrus@ustrus.com> wrote:
IF YOU START USING LAYER FILTERS YOU WILL MAKE A LOT OF ENEMIES WHEN YOU
SHARE THE FILES
Love that upper case - reminds me of the olden days of teletype
machines.
In my case I'm always the sharee, not the sharer.
Layer filters are very useful (which is why they were invented, I
guess) for making up different "models" required for different
purposes.
From most of the drawings I get to work on, I need to use about 10-20
layers each to make up a grading model from which I will make several
dtm's, linework for the bulldozer computer, different linework for the
field computer used by the surveyor for layout, different linework for
the calibration of a site, etc etc etc.
It is really useful to be able to switch among several different sets
of layers using a list for this.
Happy Trails To You |
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S. Scalise
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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Create an empty layer filter then import same into the drawing. Of, course
you can go get lunch while waiting for layer manager to open/populate.
"Jerry G" <ustrus@ustrus.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Sorry about the upper case. I capslock for drawings, and forgot to turn it
off. When I realized it was on, I didn't change it because I really felt
like shouting how much I hate those filters.
One of the biggest problems I have in my job is the acquisition of files
from architects that have a zillion layer filters (many the same filter
with different names) because of the interchange of files between users,
some different operators in the architects office, some engineers working
with multiple architects' files.
Unfortunately simple purging doesn't remove the filters and the layer
filters act like a virus, contaminating files every time someone modifies
the file with an insertion. The removal process built into autocad is very
slow and in some versions of autocad will lock up the software for an
extended period of time. A file that should be small (perhaps a simple
detail and title block) in the range of a 1-2 hundred kilobytes turns into
a monster of 1-2 Megabytes. Email transfers become a significant issue,
and I have to strip out the filters because I may extract the detail for
use on the relevant job, resulting in new files acquiring the undesired
filters.
If you routinely strip the filters before forwarding the file, or never
forward your files, the issue is moot, however the majority of filter
users are not that careful, and many of the recipients are unaware of the
existence of the filters, thereby spreading this problem. In fact one
architect I know actually was suffering through the common crashes of
autocad LT caused by layer filters while I was on the phone with him and I
recognized the symptom as being the same one I had seen before I knew
about layer filters (I'm a self-taught cad user having only used the small
cursory instruction book packaged with the software, and forums like this
to learn autocad.) He jokingly asked if I had hidden a camera in his
office since I explained the cause and cure so readily without even being
there.
Happy Trails wrote:
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:24:24 -0400, Jerry G <ustrus@ustrus.com> wrote:
IF YOU START USING LAYER FILTERS YOU WILL MAKE A LOT OF ENEMIES WHEN YOU
SHARE THE FILES
Love that upper case - reminds me of the olden days of teletype
machines.
In my case I'm always the sharee, not the sharer.
Layer filters are very useful (which is why they were invented, I
guess) for making up different "models" required for different
purposes.
From most of the drawings I get to work on, I need to use about 10-20
layers each to make up a grading model from which I will make several
dtm's, linework for the bulldozer computer, different linework for the
field computer used by the surveyor for layout, different linework for
the calibration of a site, etc etc etc.
It is really useful to be able to switch among several different sets
of layers using a list for this.
Happy Trails To You
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Mr. B
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:52 am Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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With Deft Fingers, Jerry G <ustrus@ustrus.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If you routinely strip the filters before forwarding the file, or never
forward your files, the issue is moot, however the majority of filter
users are not that careful, and many of the recipients are unaware of
the existence of the filters, thereby spreading this problem. In fact
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Right. We have a LISP routine that we have setup to automatically Purge the
Filters every time we open a drawing (then it just a question of saving it or
not). But they sure do fatten up a drawing - and a lot of people have NO idea
that filters do this. Many are amazed when I tell them how much smaller the
files become when you do get rid of them.
Regards,
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Phych
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Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:10 am Post subject:
Re: Layers and XRefs |
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I'm a bit old fashioned when it comes to layers. I hate dialoug boxes
and avoid them when I can. A carefully named layer system will save
a lot of trouble. For instance, all the layer names that I use in a floor
plan
contain "_FL" at the end of the layer name. So when I want to freeze
all my floor plan layers, for none or a dozen xrefed floor plans, at
my command line I type:
-La
f
*_FL
No filters, no mess, and way faster than a dialoug box.
If I want to freeze from a specific xref drawing named "FLR2", I type
-La
f
flr2|*_fl
Makes my brain happy anyway :0)
"David" <davidcfrankAPPLE@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dh6a7q$oga$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
| Quote: | Dear Group,
I would appreciate some help...
I am working on a 2 storey building, combining my model with an Xref for
each floor.
The Xrefs are big files with loads of layers. I think my drawing would be
simpler if I could reduce the XRefs to one or two layers each before using
them. How can I do this??
Also, is there a way to "switch off" an Xref temporarily in the same way
as you can with an individual layer??
Thanks in advance
David
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